Fiercest Barbarians

[WinsingtonIII]

I had to go for Getai, if anything is fierce, it's a guy charging at you with a falx. Plus, they have one of the most versatile rosters in the game.

I agree with anatharic that they might very well actually have the best cavalry of the "barbarians" simply because no other can counter an armored horse archer like the Ktistai.

[satalexton]

You missed out the Romans, mate.

[antisocialmunky]

Getai Merc out Celtic Naked Spearman and chop everything to ribbons.

[Kevin]

You missed out the Romans, mate.

True, they were fierce enough to be able to defeat the Macedonians, after all.

[Aemilius Paulus]

You missed out the Romans, mate.

And the Makedonians, for actually holding on for three wars against Rome - not bad. Remember, Makedonians were barbarian, tribal culture - even Greeks considered them barbarous.



Is it just me or do I remember sometime in the past a discussion banning Romaioktonoi agitation on these forums??

[Olaf The Great]

A fully upgraded (4+ chevrons) Sweboz army with a forager and winter warrior general with pretty much level everyone.

Also note that in the late game Casse have some of the best cavalry in the west.

[Kevin]

A fully upgraded (4+ chevrons) Sweboz army with a forager and winter warrior general with pretty much level everyone.

Winter warrior? What's that?

[Ibrahim]

Sweboz by far:

they/their sister cultures are the only ones to my knowlege who nailed enemy heads to tree trunks-no other people can be that fierce/sadistic

[The General]

Sweboz by far:

they/their sister cultures are the only ones to my knowlege who nailed enemy heads to tree trunks-no other people can be that fierce/sadistic

Well, the Celts (Gauls at least) did collect heads from their enemies and place them on the vertical posts of doorways... Of course, doors are much less fierce than tree(trunk)s.

[Raygereio]

Winter warrior? What's that?

From export_VnVs.txt:
Winter Campaigning Not Restricted
"Historically, there were seasons for campaigning. This varied depending on climate and custom. Winter was usually not a time for armies to be on the march. However, this man and his people use this to their advantage, and are not burdened by these restrictions."

The Sweboz, Sauromatae, Saka and Pahlava will get this trait and won't get a movement penalty in the winter.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

You missed out the Romans, mate.

Actually, he asked for the fiercest barbarians, and if there's anything I can assure you with certainty, than it will be the fact that the Romans are indeed not very fierce. Maybe in the bedroom though.

But to answer the OP's original question, it's the Sweboz man. They are by far the most scaring, and if I could vote for the most scary unit in the game, I'd go with Kludda Lugiae though they're technically not Germanic. The Lugian lvl5 Kludda make mincemeat of my Thorakitai! The Lugian über armies can beat even Argyraspides if they can take on them downhill! They scare the hell out of me! Whereas the Getai constantly avoid any battle with me...

[Tollheit]

They are called Marslugoi Lugjiskoi nowadays, and you are right, they are frighteningly effective. Much better than Druxtiz Basterniska even, but like them, they are almost defenseless against missiles.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

The Britons varient, Kluddargos I think they are called, are similar to the Lugians but wear mail armor....

They scare me.

In fact in my Aedui campaign I attacked my loyal allies the Casse simply so I would be able to recruit these monstrosities. They work wonders against armored units. As soon as I'm done with the Lusotann in Nortern Iberia, I'll turn those wicked two handers towards the monster stacks in central europe.

[Macilrille]

Actually, he asked for the fiercest barbarians, and if there's anything I can assure you with certainty, than it will be the fact that the Romans are indeed not very fierce. Maybe in the bedroom though.

I do not wish to derail the thread, but you have an agreement with EB to read more history. If we count the Romans as barbarians then they were historically fiercer than anyone. Disciplined yes, but warlike in the extreme and savage in victory. Harris, W. V.: "War and Imperialism in Republican Rome, 327- 70 BC," Oxford, 1979. Goes into much detail on this. I do not agree on all his points, but I do percieve the Romans as incredibly brutal even for a brutal time, a belief supported by much evidence.

However, they were brutal sort of like the Germans of WWII were, not very "wild, untamed and barbarian", but rather organised and brutal.

The most untamable barbarians would be the Germanic tribes probably and in EB I would say Sweboz with Getai as second, those 4+ Chevron units really kick behinds...

[artavazd]

I do not wish to derail the thread, but you have an agreement with EB to read more history. If we count the Romans as barbarians then they were historically fiercer than anyone. Disciplined yes, but warlike in the extreme and savage in victory. Harris, W. V.: "War and Imperialism in Republican Rome, 327- 70 BC," Oxford, 1979. Goes into much detail on this. I do not agree on all his points, but I do percieve the Romans as incredibly brutal even for a brutal time, a belief supported by much evidence.

However, they were brutal sort of like the Germans of WWII were, not very "wild, untamed and barbarian", but rather organised and brutal.
The most untamable barbarians would be the Germanic tribes probably and in EB I would say Sweboz with Getai as second, those 4+ Chevron units really kick behinds...

We can say that about all of the participants of wwII (destruction of Drezden?, Hiroshima Nagasaki?)

[Cute Wolf]

I think Romans are barbarians in some aspect, but in this thread, classifying Romans as barbarians will derailing this good thread, and we need to classify that what did we said as barbarians in this thread are those who have "barbarian culture on EB", as no one speak about the Nomads as a barbarians.....

[Macilrille]

We can say that about all of the participants of wwII (destruction of Drezden?, Hiroshima Nagasaki?)

I think this is not the place for such a discussion and was but providing an example, but to my mind there is a world of difference between bombing civilian populations to break the will of a state to fight and the organised mass murder carried out by Nazi Germany. No one else had Einsatstruppen and extermination camps. That debate, however, does not belong here, I just cannot abide historical inaccuracy- five of my balloons was earned by correcting inaccurate claims on the Waffen SS.

I especially cannot abide it from apologists, which- I am sorry to say (I hope it is not so)- your comment to my example smacks of. With heads of state denying The Holocaust there is the more need than ever to keep the memory of it without blaming the poor Germans of today- how can they be responsible for what their grandparents did? I for one has no bad conscience because my ancestors plundered the civilised world a thousand years ago ;-) But we must remember!


Now the thread is about the EB timeframe, and I believe the OP meant barbarian factions in the sense of having barbarian building tree, in other words West European cultures/peoples without an organised state or at most organised on the level political scientists call Chiefdoms.

[Ludens]

This is indeed not the right place to discuss that subject. A similar discussion is currently going on in the Monastery, though.

Let's go back to topic. Any further "Romans are Barbarians" nonsense in this thread will be deleted.

[ziegenpeter]

I think this is not the place for such a discussion and was but providing an example, but to my mind there is a world of difference between bombing civilian populations to break the will of a state to fight and the organised mass murder carried out by Nazi Germany. No one else had Einsatstruppen and extermination camps.

We can say that about all of the participants of wwII (destruction of Drezden?, Hiroshima Nagasaki?)

I don't want to talk down to you guys and I appreciate the effort. I myself like to be corrected wether it's in a foreign language or even in my mother tongue, so it is:

Dresden and Einsatztruppen ;)