Javelin Ammo in the saddle....

[Cute Wolf]

Recently, I has to carry a lot of fishing rods with motorcycle (helping my cousin's with their store), no, don't think about small fishing rods, I talk about a rather large fishing rods made from bamboo, with a relatively straight and long (1.5 m each on average) and have considerable thickness. After tied a lot of them on the back and carried them away in the normal manner, my cousins point out that some twenty of them are still not tied. Unable to untie the big bag full of rods without cutting the rope, I decide to carry them on my left hand, putting all of them under my armpit and keep them in place with just a short rope to hold them...

While this morning I run my motorcycle, I remember the EB game that I play tonight..... If I could carry 20++ of these pointy sticks with left hand without interfering much my motor riding ability.... Why the ancient javelin-skirmisher cavalry didn't carry as much as this? So they'll become more effective.....

I think that hippaontistai, hetairoi aspidophoroi, leuce epos, and many mounted javelinmen's ammo can be increased up to 17 or 18 in their realistic condition..... so what did u think? I know, they had to thrown them, but I can do that (take one of these "javelins" and throw them as quickly), if my right hand isn't occupied to twist the gas.....

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Well bamboo is hollow, javilins were not making them heavier. Plus riding a horse is not a walk in the park, not sure if you ever have. At full gallop trying to accurately throw a javilin while holding 10 others under your other arm would be impossible. Remember there were no stirrups for the soldier to stand upon and throw, he needed to do it from a seated position. I can't imagine how difficult this must have been. I wonder if they even were able to throw javilins on the move or if they just ran around behind the enemy and threw them from a standstill.

[Weebeast]

Lack of stirup is no problem for most people who grew up riding stir-up-less horses the same way shift-sticked cars are no problem for people who grew up riding shift-sticked cars. They all still talk on the phone! I saw a show about "manhood rite" on National Geographic or something. They had no stirups. I'm googling it now but so far no luck. Interestingly, those guys actually stop to throw their javelins. So if you're galloping and throwing it's safe to say you're doing it wrong.

Btw, throwing while moving is not reflected in game is it? Your accuracy stays the same whether you move or stay still?

As for the units in game, I don't think they're weak. They do what I want them to do that is harass slow lightly armored units. Maybe give some more ammo to the Numidians Cavalry since they either die or rout even fighting the Numidian Skirmishers...

[Kevin]

I agree, they need more ammo 8 javelins usually kills like 2 units

[Ludens]

Btw, throwing while moving is not reflected in game is it? Your accuracy stays the same whether you move or stay still?

I am pretty sure accuracy is not affected by movement, although I have not seen it confirmed.

As for the units in game, I don't think they're weak. They do what I want them to do that is harass slow lightly armored units. Maybe give some more ammo to the Numidians Cavalry since they either die or rout even fighting the Numidian Skirmishers...

Numidian cavalry is an extreme version of javelin cavalry: very good with missile, but even more useless at close-combat. And you shouldn't get into a missile duel with infantry missile units. Horsemen are more expensive, make bigger targets and have smaller units.

I agree, they need more ammo 8 javelins usually kills like 2 units

I think you are using them wrongly; at least, I take it 2 units actually means 2 soldiers. Using javelins frontally against well-shielded infantry is indeed not going to make much of an impression. However, if you attack the unshielded side or rear, your javelins will do more damage, and missile cavalry has the mobility to do this.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Some have more ammo than others too its worth noting. Cantabrians, Dahae, and Arachosians get 14? javelins. Others get either 8 or 6 I believe except the Germanic ones which get a lot fewer as the price for larger javelins.

[Cute Wolf]

I allready see the cantabrians with their tons of ammo..... but the others have only a few.... well, stocking avelins in the left side could take 15-16... if they are somewhat heavier than bamboo rods...