Javelin Ammo in the saddle....

[antisocialmunky]

How did the numidian cavalry rout both the Roman cavalry at Cannae and later the Carthiginian Cavalry at Zama? In EB, their cav is obviously superior.

[Apázlinemjó]

How did the numidian cavalry rout both the Roman cavalry at Cannae and later the Carthiginian Cavalry at Zama? In EB, their cav is obviously superior.

Agreed, they are too weak and compared to that too expensive in EB.

[athanaric]

How did the numidian cavalry rout both the Roman cavalry at Cannae and later the Carthiginian Cavalry at Zama? In EB, their cav is obviously [inferior].

My (uneducated) guess is that the Numidian cavalry forces at Cannae and Zama didn't only consist of unarmoured skirmishers. In EB, we have Numidian Nobles to represent some of those that were capable to tackle other cavalry in melee.

[Blxz]

My (uneducated) guess is that the Numidian cavalry forces at Cannae and Zama didn't only consist of unarmoured skirmishers. In EB, we have Numidian Nobles to represent some of those that were capable to tackle other cavalry in melee.

And I guess it would be safe to assume that numidians are going to be fleshed out alot more in EB2. Will likely have several cavalry options to more accurately reflect the different forces they fielded historically.

[AqD]

How did the numidian cavalry rout both the Roman cavalry at Cannae and later the Carthiginian Cavalry at Zama? In EB, their cav is obviously superior.

Superior in game but perhaps not in reality.

Numidians have crap equipments, but so did the Alans who nearly killed the Armenian king by dragging him down with a lasso. They're born horsemen, while the Carthaginians and Romans are not. Skills and morale are far more important IMHO, though their value is often ignored or reduced, probably for game balancing...

[artavazd]

Superior in game but perhaps not in reality.

Numidians have crap equipments, but so did the Alans who nearly killed the Armenian king by dragging him down with a lasso. They're born horsemen, while the Carthaginians and Romans are not. Skills and morale are far more important IMHO, though their value is often ignored or reduced, probably for game balancing...

which armenian king are you talking about

[Kevin]

How do can you use skirmisher calvaries efficiently? I tend to not include any in my armies because they have little ammo, they aren't as good as foot soldiers, always get chased by at least one unit of the enemy's army, and have no charge which makes them useless after they run out of ammo.

Back on to topic, you guys neglect the fact that the men holding these spears were probably stronger, and more trained than any of you (no offense) so you can't compare your skills with those of the men depicted in EB.

[ziegenpeter]

How do can you use skirmisher calvaries efficiently? I tend to not include any in my armies because they have little ammo, they aren't as good as foot soldiers, always get chased by at least one unit of the enemy's army, and have no charge which makes them useless after they run out of ammo.

I'd like to know that too. I always prefere foot skirmishers.

[DaciaJC]

How do can you use skirmisher calvaries efficiently? I tend to not include any in my armies because they have little ammo, they aren't as good as foot soldiers, always get chased by at least one unit of the enemy's army, and have no charge which makes them useless after they run out of ammo.

Well, there's one reason. Skirmisher cavalry are intended to harass the enemy, whittle their numbers, tire them out... not deal major blows. They could use a little boost, though, considering the disparity in effectiveness (in this case, how many enemy soldiers are killed by javelins) between foot and cavalry skirmishers.

*They're also great for running down routers.

[Kevin]

Chasing routers are there only decent use. If there javelins were somewhat stronger than foot skirmishers, they'd be more useful

[Cute Wolf]

You forgot that Hellenic hippakontistai actually have ap kopis, that makes them useful to deal dadly flank onto Romaioi legions...

Copy from my horsemaster discussions

I Start this with... The Hellenic Hippakontistai well according to most EB AAR, there's a lot of reason to not use them, they are weak, their javelins are limited, and their class was low... but there was another reasons to use them properly, and very effectively...
1) They are readily available in first tier MIC, and large recruitment area... means they are more "expandable" and retrainable..
2) They have ap swords, albeit only 6 points w out any upgr, they are still ap, and with exp can be relied to flank even katas
3) While javelins are limited bth in range and ammo, their close range and lethality means that they are very useful... router sweeper...
4) With proper usage to sweep out routers, they can quickly advance to silver chevrons.... and with silver chev up, they are very realible to take down most armoured units...

so with the point 3, I propose that addinsome extra javs could made the better

Eastern/Gauls w speas instead of kopis could be used to charge...

[antisocialmunky]

Most cavalry are over armored enough that they don't really feel javelines except in the back. Though heavy cavalry tends to be a little vulnerable but shield bearing medium cavalry(which is all Roman cav is) and catanks don't care at all. If they carried AP javelins(javelins should be more deadly versus horses since all you need is to unseat the rider with one), then they would be worth it.

Maybe give them a cav bonus or AP and then half the amount or something.

[Zradha Pahlavan]

How do can you use skirmisher calvaries efficiently? I tend to not include any in my armies because they have little ammo, they aren't as good as foot soldiers, always get chased by at least one unit of the enemy's army, and have no charge which makes them useless after they run out of ammo.

They're exceedingly useful in steppe warfare, while footmen are not. Though not as good as horse archers, they're cheaper, and if nothing else you can use them to surround and destroy enemy cataphracts. They'll take a lot of losses, but they often get the job done. It's a good idea to give them heavy cavalry support though. I also tend to think that they're better against elephants, since they're fast enough to get out of the way.

[AqD]

which armenian king are you talking about

Tiridates, AD 73

[Ca Putt]

they are somewhat usfull in kh armies as you sometimes need a unit to run down the fleeing enemy general but all your units are too slow :/ they can quickly kill the general or any unit you want dead before the rest of the army routs(or just to keep them running thus not turning back to attack you once more) especially as KH rely mostly on heavy infantry which is not exactly fast.

they are also usefull when you fail to outflank the enemy with infantry as they are much faster. they throw some volleys to either let them turn around or inflict some losses. afterall most of them are so light that you can easily get behind enemy lines or distract much more powerfull troops(I once managed that a unit of cantanks chased them over the whole map and thus was far to exhausted to defeat my hoplites :D)