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OK maybe we shouldn't mock the afflicted, but it can be fun.
Londons elected brain dead racist has been inventing "facts".
He made a film blog about the terrible increasing knife crime that is gripping London.
Not only was he dumb enough to make claims about two boroughs where the crime was decreasing not increasing , but he also told the tragic tale of three terrible murders that hadn't actually happened.
But in his defence we must make allowances, because like he says he has leaning difficulties and it was noisy when he made the film
Londons elected brain dead racist has been inventing "facts".
He made a film blog about the terrible increasing knife crime that is gripping London.
Not only was he dumb enough to make claims about two boroughs where the crime was decreasing not increasing , but he also told the tragic tale of three terrible murders that hadn't actually happened.
But in his defence we must make allowances, because like he says he has leaning difficulties and it was noisy when he made the film
You need to link source or sources, but it is pretty believable.
agreed with the above, its bad enough in a response, but in an OP its pointless.
I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.
That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field.
The investigation ruled that Barnbrook's original claim that he knew what he was saying was untrue "seems at odds" with the principles of honesty and integrity. "If the public were aware that Mr Barnbrook was in fact putting out statements that he knew were false, we consider that his could reasonably be regarded as undermining public confidence in both members and the authorities as a whole in being able to fulfil their function."
Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.
Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.
That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field.
cheers for the link.
back on topic:
the BNP are idiots, no change there then.
back on topic:
the BNP are idiots, no change there then.
Originally Posted by :
I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.
Indeed.I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.
Originally Posted by :
That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else.
The hearing arising from that was yesterday, which is why its in todays news.That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else.
Immigrant murders?
In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.
Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.
Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.
In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.
Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.
Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Immigrant murders?
In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.
Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.
Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.
So nearly a quarter of all muders in the last ten years were committed by immigrants; yet 94.4% of your population are ethnic Norse. Muslims make up 1.8% of your population, yet have committed 10% of the murders in the last ten years.Immigrant murders?
In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.
Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.
Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.
That's a pretty big problem you have there, proportionally speaking.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
So nearly a quarter of all muders in the last ten years were committed by immigrants; yet 94.4% of your population are ethnic Norse. Muslims make up 1.8% of your population, yet have committed 10% of the murders in the last ten years.
That's a pretty big problem you have there, proportionally speaking.
Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.So nearly a quarter of all muders in the last ten years were committed by immigrants; yet 94.4% of your population are ethnic Norse. Muslims make up 1.8% of your population, yet have committed 10% of the murders in the last ten years.
That's a pretty big problem you have there, proportionally speaking.
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.
[QUOTE=Banquo's Ghost;2340625]I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.
That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field.[/Q]
I'd say this is true of all politicians not just the NNP, Weapons of Mass Destruction anyone?
The investigation ruled that Barnbrook's original claim that he knew what he was saying was untrue "seems at odds" with the principles of honesty and integrity. "If the public were aware that Mr Barnbrook was in fact putting out statements that he knew were false, we consider that his could reasonably be regarded as undermining public confidence in both members and the authorities as a whole in being able to fulfil their function."
Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.
Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.
That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field.
[/Q]I'd say this is true of all politicians not just the NNP, Weapons of Mass Destruction anyone?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.
You're the one bringing in statistics and then describing them as lies. Make up your mind.Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.
Furthermore, I'm kind of surprised that you consider 75 murders to be irrelevant. That's potentially 75 families that lost a member, and god knows how much people who lost a friend. Aren't you typically in the 'every life counts' side of the political spectrum? I thought that was what being leftist is about.
Originally Posted by Meneldil:
You're the one bringing in statistics and then describing them as lies. Make up your mind.
The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways. But when you're dealing such low numbers as 75 out of 200.000, I think percentages are irrelevant.You're the one bringing in statistics and then describing them as lies. Make up your mind.
Originally Posted by Meneldil:
Furthermore, I'm kind of surprised that you consider 75 murders to be irrelevant. That's potentially 75 families that lost a member, and god knows how much people who lost a friend. Aren't you typically in the 'every life counts' side of the political spectrum? I thought that was what being leftist is about.
Yes, but I still can't see why on earth those 75 deaths should affect the 199.925 non-murdering immigrants one bit.Furthermore, I'm kind of surprised that you consider 75 murders to be irrelevant. That's potentially 75 families that lost a member, and god knows how much people who lost a friend. Aren't you typically in the 'every life counts' side of the political spectrum? I thought that was what being leftist is about.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.
Tell that to the families...Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
he has leaning difficulties
he has leaning difficulties
Originally Posted by Husar:
Tell that to the families...
Why would I have any problems telling those families that even though someone was killed by an immigrant, I still think it's OK for the 200k other immigrants to stay in this country?Tell that to the families...
Originally Posted by :
The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways.
The best way to deal with that statistic is to go longer term. The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways.
The murder rate is pretty consistant on a per capita basis for norway.
So take a pile of years when there was a very very low proportion of non-norwegians living in norway then compare that to a pile of years when there was a higher proportion of non-norwegians living in Norway.
When you come to the amazing discovery that the constant has remained unchanged with both variables you get the conclusion that a relatively stable certain number of people living in Norway will get murdered no matter who it is that is living in Norway or where they originally come from.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Why would I have any problems telling those families that even though someone was killed by an immigrant, I still think it's OK for the 200k other immigrants to stay in this country?
So first you say all statistics are lies and then you quote Norwegian statistics, mix them with british statistics, assume things that don't seem to be in the statistics(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this Why would I have any problems telling those families that even though someone was killed by an immigrant, I still think it's OK for the 200k other immigrants to stay in this country?
) and then you imagine things I never said. 
75 murders may be statistically(oh wait, you said all statistics are lies) irrelevant to you, I was just saying it's certainly not to the families of the people, nowhere did I say that this means you should throw out all immigrants, you might want to stop proactively putting words into other peoples' mouths.
If immigrants are much more likely to commit murder then surely there is something wrong with them, their community or their treatment, if it's so irrelevant then why does Norway have a police in the first place? And even if it's completely irrelevant in Norway, why do you assume from that that it is completely irrelevant in Britain as well? Is Norway an exact copy of Britain now?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
[pendant]Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.
There are actually 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
[/pendant]
Originally Posted by Husar:
So first you say all statistics are lies and then you quote Norwegian statistics, mix them with british statistics, assume things that don't seem to be in the statistics(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this ) and then you imagine things I never said.
75 murders may be statistically(oh wait, you said all statistics are lies) irrelevant to you, I was just saying it's certainly not to the families of the people, nowhere did I say that this means you should throw out all immigrants, you might want to stop proactively putting words into other peoples' mouths.
If immigrants are much more likely to commit murder then surely there is something wrong with them, their community or their treatment, if it's so irrelevant then why does Norway have a police in the first place? And even if it's completely irrelevant in Norway, why do you assume from that that it is completely irrelevant in Britain as well? Is Norway an exact copy of Britain now?
Try reading Tribesey's excellent post So first you say all statistics are lies and then you quote Norwegian statistics, mix them with british statistics, assume things that don't seem to be in the statistics(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this
) and then you imagine things I never said. 75 murders may be statistically(oh wait, you said all statistics are lies) irrelevant to you, I was just saying it's certainly not to the families of the people, nowhere did I say that this means you should throw out all immigrants, you might want to stop proactively putting words into other peoples' mouths.
If immigrants are much more likely to commit murder then surely there is something wrong with them, their community or their treatment, if it's so irrelevant then why does Norway have a police in the first place? And even if it's completely irrelevant in Norway, why do you assume from that that it is completely irrelevant in Britain as well? Is Norway an exact copy of Britain now?
Oh, and:
(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this
)No I do not assume that, in fact I stated the opposite.... 75 is the number of people killed by an immigrant, not the number of immigrant murderers. As I said, the number of murderers would be a little lower, as I can recall a few double murders.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders.
That's rather cold, those are 75 murders I don't think that's nothing. Actually think that's quite a lot for a lowly populated country like Norway. It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders.
When you come to the amazing discovery that the constant has remained unchanged with both variables you get the conclusion that a relatively stable certain number of people living in Norway will get murdered no matter who it is that is living in Norway or where they originally come from.
point taken
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Try reading Tribesey's excellent post
Yeah, well, he's talking about Norwegian statistics while this thread is about British statistics, of course they may be similar but it can't hurt to point that out, what you did was try to disprove the british statistics with Norwegian ones and...Try reading Tribesey's excellent post
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
No I do not assume that, in fact I stated the opposite.... 75 is the number of people killed by an immigrant, not the number of immigrant murderers. As I said, the number of murderers would be a little lower, as I can recall a few double murders.
Oh no you didn't:No I do not assume that, in fact I stated the opposite.... 75 is the number of people killed by an immigrant, not the number of immigrant murderers. As I said, the number of murderers would be a little lower, as I can recall a few double murders.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways. But when you're dealing such low numbers as 75 out of 200.000, I think percentages are irrelevant.
Yes, but I still can't see why on earth those 75 deaths should affect the 199.925 non-murdering immigrants one bit.
200.000 immigrants -75 murders = 199.925 non-murdering immigrants = 75 murdering immigrants = one murder per immigrant murderer is your logic displayed here.The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways. But when you're dealing such low numbers as 75 out of 200.000, I think percentages are irrelevant.
Yes, but I still can't see why on earth those 75 deaths should affect the 199.925 non-murdering immigrants one bit.
Now I'm going to take the above as a correction but this topic is about Britain and Britain is not Norway so they may have different problems under their CCTV.
Originally Posted by Husar:
Yeah, well, he's talking about Norwegian statistics while this thread is about British statistics, of course they may be similar but it can't hurt to point that out, what you did was try to disprove the british statistics with Norwegian ones and...
Oh no you didn't:
200.000 immigrants -75 murders = 199.925 non-murdering immigrants = 75 murdering immigrants = one murder per immigrant murderer is your logic displayed here.
Now I'm going to take the above as a correction but this topic is about Britain and Britain is not Norway so they may have different problems under their CCTV.
Oh give it a rest.Yeah, well, he's talking about Norwegian statistics while this thread is about British statistics, of course they may be similar but it can't hurt to point that out, what you did was try to disprove the british statistics with Norwegian ones and...
Oh no you didn't:
200.000 immigrants -75 murders = 199.925 non-murdering immigrants = 75 murdering immigrants = one murder per immigrant murderer is your logic displayed here.
Now I'm going to take the above as a correction but this topic is about Britain and Britain is not Norway so they may have different problems under their CCTV.
I think he's trying to say that the murder of Norwegians doesn't matter. Some sort of cosmic karma or cultural guilt perhaps.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Oh give it a rest.
funny isnt it, to be in switched positions?Oh give it a rest.
Originally Posted by drone:
[pendant]
There are actually 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
[/pendant]
Ahem. Perhaps you mean 'pedant'? [pendant]
There are actually 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
[/pendant]
Ajax
. . .
[/pedant]
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish:
Ahem. Perhaps you mean 'pedant'?
Ajax
I think a pendant is a similar thing/expression/object/situation. So that might fit, unless you are joking. Ahem. Perhaps you mean 'pedant'?
Ajax
Originally Posted by Hooahguy:
funny isnt it, to be in switched positions?
Hmm?funny isnt it, to be in switched positions?
Husar is just having his grammar nazi period, nothing to see here
You know, it could just be other factors.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Husar is just having his grammar nazi period, nothing to see here
Not here, but it's funny watching you, a bit like a fish out of the water... Husar is just having his grammar nazi period, nothing to see here
Originally Posted by Husar:
Not here, but it's funny watching you, a bit like a fish out of the water...
When I feel like discussing the exact meaning of my own words instead of an issue, Husar, believe me, you're the first one I'll call Not here, but it's funny watching you, a bit like a fish out of the water...
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