Executions

[Kevin]

I've never played M2TW, but what I've seen on youtube there is finally executions on the battlemap. I was wondering if we'll see something like that except more realistic. What I mean is, will the barbarian executions, such as those of Germans, be more brutal than those of the "civilized" factions, such as the Macedonians.


Hey there's no such thing as a stupid question, right?

[A Very Super Market]

Well, your soldiers kill their soldiers on the battle map.....

If you mean the post-battle prisoner business, there's no animation. Just a button you click and squishy sounds.

[Azathoth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piek...e=channel_page

He's talking about this (watch till the end).

[DaciaJC]

Are you referring to those "finishing moves"?

[Kevin]

yea

[mountaingoat]

i don't like most of them , sure they were interesting when i first encountered them , but then you see how the whole battle almost stops for the unit so it can finish off the opponent ... i like a few of the sword ones as they are fairly quick ... do not like the spear ones and some of the 2h are just very slow.

maybe a new animation or two could be added , else do not think they would be needed for most units.

[Ludens]

I've never played M2TW, but what I've seen on youtube there is finally executions on the battlemap. I was wondering if we'll see something like that except more realistic. What I mean is, will the barbarian executions, such as those of Germans, be more brutal than those of the "civilized" factions, such as the Macedonians.

I doubt it. In battle, the idea is to kill your enemy quickly. Taking time for exaggerated executions is time you can't spend on fighting other enemies, or watching for someone sneaking up on you. In reality, soldiers wouldn't have been very concerned about finishing incapacitated foes: they would move on to the next target and leave the actual killing to supporting troops, for example the English longbowmen at the battle of Agincourt.

[antisocialmunky]

I always liked the begging for mercy sounds on the ransom/execute menu.

@Ludens. I was under the impression that the Longbowmen had to actually get into the melee at some point, not just kill the people already on the ground. There weren't all that many men-at-arms on the english side of that battle.

[Kevin]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

[Ibrahim]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

look, if you are going to ask for that kind of killing, you might as well go a step furthur and ask for this. its not anymore going to happen.

war is hell. its also chaos. no one in his right mind, as Ludens pointed out, is going to kill people in a Konan style move. and as EB is for realism, you ought not to ask for it.

[A Very Super Market]

Like your invincible Spartans?

[DaciaJC]

look, if you are going to ask for that kind of killing, you might as well go a step furthur and ask for this. its not anymore going to happen.

war is hell. its also chaos. no one in his right mind, as Ludens pointed out, is going to kill people in a Konan style move. and as EB is for realism, you ought not to ask for it.

Forgive him, for he knows not what he says...

[Macilrille]

Still, it makes the battle more "fun" than in RTW, and I choose that over historical accuracy.

Fie on you!!! EB is all about historical accuracy. If you want "fun", play Vanilla!!!

ASM, yes they joined in several melees after they ran out of ammo.

A small note on the duel in Troy from one who actually fights. It is very well done, much better than most fights in most films. It suits the Heroic Style of warfare then very well.

[Ibrahim]

ASM, yes they joined in several melees after they ran out of ammo.

A small note on the duel in Troy from one who actually fights. It is very well done, much better than most fights in most films. It suits the Heroic Style of warfare then very well.

IIRC, didn't the director/fight choreographer say that the fight scenes were taken off greek vases depicting said heroic fights? I recall watching this in the DVD of the video-director's comentary/somesimilar.

*goes to look it up*

[Ludens]

@Ludens. I was under the impression that the Longbowmen had to actually get into the melee at some point, not just kill the people already on the ground. There weren't all that many men-at-arms on the english side of that battle.

I am probably confusing battles. Either way, downed knights would often be finished by supporting troops using long, thin daggers that could be slid into weak spots of their armour.

[-Praetor-]

I am probably confusing battles. Either way, downed knights would often be finished by supporting troops using long, thin daggers that could be slid into weak spots of their armour.

No you aren't. It was at Agincourt where the longbowmen slaughtered the french knights that were prisoners. Henry ordered this deed to be done by his longbowmen in order to bypass the code of honour, that ordered knights not to kill other knights that have been captured or are unable to defend themselves. Thus, Henry used his longbowmen who were non noble, plain villains, to massacre several thousands knights.

[antisocialmunky]

Yeah, no one is disputing that. But I'm talking about joining the men at arms. I've seen quotations about how they disabled knights with lead mallets, hatchets and daggers after the melee was joined and they were out of ammunition.

All things considered, despite the tremendous amount of clusterery on the part of the French, 900 men at arms are still going find it hard to cut it against 10K-15K equally well armed french knights.