Eastern EB?

[A Very Super Market]

Well, I suppose if you started during the Warring States period, there could be some decent action without swallowing up the entire map. A bit repetitive fighting essentially the same factions though.

[Kevin]

That would be like saying all the barbarians in EB are essentially the same.

[Moosemanmoo]

Dynasty Warriors

[Fluvius Camillus]

270AD ish???

Chinese Three Kingdoms? Upcoming Gupta Empire? Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofun_period? Indo Scythians? Huns (before migrating to Europe)? Korean Three Kingdoms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms_of_Korea? Siberian Nomads? Southeast Asian peoples? Islander tribesmen? Manchu or Tibetan ancestors?

Have a go at those!

~Fluvius

[Azathoth]

In game terms, a campaign with China would involve fighting 3 stacks of rebels per turn.

[king of thracia]

It would be like Arche Seleukeia except without any other civilized faction at all on the map. Unless you include Baktria and India.

[Seneca]

It would be like Arche Seleukeia except without any other civilized faction at all on the map. Unless you include Baktria and India.

Korea was an independent kingdom by those times, no? And I believe the origins of the Khmer dynasty in kampuchea was active in those times, in addition to a lot of other civilisations. It would probably be one hell of a job to track any credible sources about them though, if it exists at all.

[A Very Super Market]

That would be like saying all the barbarians in EB are essentially the same.

Err, it would be more similar to the Aedui and Arverni. China had no real "other" culture to draw ideas from. The Northern ones never did use much nomad technology, and the only major development in warfare was the adoption of cavalry. But even then, chariots were still the norm.

[MeinPanzer]

Err, it would be more similar to the Aedui and Arverni. China had no real "other" culture to draw ideas from. The Northern ones never did use much nomad technology, and the only major development in warfare was the adoption of cavalry. But even then, chariots were still the norm.

This notion is, frankly, laughable. There was as large a difference between the armies of the different Warring States as there were between the different Hellenistic kingdoms. Zhao, Yan and Zhongshan all practiced quite a different way of war from, for instance, Qin, and Chu, being such a large empire, differed from, and influenced, many others. This is also not considering "non-Chinese" groups like Ba and Shu, the Yue and Nan Yue, and the later formation of the state of Dian.

If the game were to start around 272 BC, the different factions in what is today China would be about as diverse as the EB factions of the eastern Mediterranean - that is, the basis of the armies were fairly similar to one another, but they all had enough variety to keep them very much differentiated.

I can just see a bunch of Chinese people working on a Hellenistic mod sitting around and saying "it's all just a bunch of Greeks! doesn't look like there would be much difference between them - all phalanxes and cavalry..."

[A Very Super Market]

Then please enlighten me. I'm working from guesswork based solely off of China's more homogeneous ethnic background.

[satalexton]

why diss the ignorant? withou EB, many of us would still wallow in the filthy lies of the Romaioi, screaming for LS, and dressing up as Arcani ninjas for halloween.

Indeed, it's sad that there isn't an equivilant of EB set in the rich lands of Seres to enlighten us all. That three kingdoms mod is based on the historical NOVEL, not facts...and the zhanguo mod is dead from wt i heard. =[

[Intranetusa]

why diss the ignorant? withou EB, many of us would still wallow in the filthy lies of the Romaioi, screaming for LS, and dressing up as Arcani ninjas for halloween.

Indeed, it's sad that there isn't an equivilant of EB set in the rich lands of Seres to enlighten us all. That three kingdoms mod is based on the historical NOVEL, not facts...and the zhanguo mod is dead from wt i heard. =[

Barbar-ro! I'm still angry that EB shattered my wondrous and child-like perception of the lorica segmentata... :(

[Megas Methuselah]

I can just see a bunch of Chinese people working on a Hellenistic mod sitting around and saying "it's all just a bunch of Greeks! doesn't look like there would be much difference between them - all phalanxes and cavalry..."

Wow, didn't know we were starting to get a bit racist here.

[Ludens]

Wow, didn't know we were starting to get a bit racist here.

I don't see any racism there. Meinpanzer shows the error in the argument by reversing it. Just because we don't know much about the Chinese armies of the 3rd century BC does not mean they were all alike.

[Intranetusa]

Well, I suppose if you started during the Warring States period, there could be some decent action without swallowing up the entire map. A bit repetitive fighting essentially the same factions though.

Well you can't really say they are the same factions considering historically each of the states had their own language, writing system, currency, etc...and they each had different styles of fighting, different armors, weapons, etc.

Err, it would be more similar to the Aedui and Arverni. China had no real "other" culture to draw ideas from. The Northern ones never did use much nomad technology, and the only major development in warfare was the adoption of cavalry. But even then, chariots were still the norm.

You can always include the many kingdoms in what is now known as Southern China, and many nomadic factions in what is now known as Northern China, and plenty o Greek/Persian/Indian factions to the west.

and I believe there was a mod in development for the Warring States period (of China)

And yes, now that I think of it, you are right: for the longest time Korea is the only civilized state in direct contact with the Chinese, although I'm not sure how 'civilized' they were back then ;)

I'm not sure if "Korean" identity existed in that time period...

Then please enlighten me. I'm working from guesswork based solely off of China's more homogeneous ethnic background.

Ummm, even today China is far from homogeneous...

You have disgruntled minorities living in the west and south west, and your integrated minorities in Inner Mongolia/Manchuria/Sichuan/Yunan/much of the southern regions/etc. And they've been able to retain their distinctive culture...

Their government lists 55 minority groups (about 150-200 million people)...but the real figure is probably much higher.

Remember that "China" is roughly the size of the entire continent of Europe...and the modern boundaries and conception of "China" is the result of thousands of years of conquest and integration of vastly different people.

(ie. Thai, Cambodians, Hmong, Viet, and Austronesian people all had kingdoms in Southern China before being integrated into various Chinese Dynasties)