Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[KukriKhan]

That is indeed what I said.



My motivation is in my kill order:

So you and Sasaki and three others were bored, so killed someone - knowing you also had the power to protect someone.

[Andres]

01/10/09 Andres asked me for a job at:

12:59 Andres


Both Andres and my time would be GMT +1. So that's 12:59 - 8 = 04:59. Which strikes me as very odd, since it is the exact same time as Kukri's PM. (My .org is one hour behind my RL time. Probably set on GMT)
I am not sure I worked out the times properly.

Andres, your PM to me and Kukri's PM to you seem to have been simultaneous. You say you had already decided on Sasaki's kill group before Kukri reached you. Had you already decided on Sasaki's kill group before you contacted me?

I sent in my kill order at 15h40 (GMT+2)

Kukri replied to my pm at 18h32 (GMT+2) and CR sent me his orders at 19h35 (GMT+2). By that time I was already gone (haven't been on the Org yesterday evening). Too late.

[Andres]

So you and Sasaki and three others were bored, so killed someone - knowing you also had the power to protect someone.

I thought doing nothing would be boring, I can't speak for my colleagues.

And Grizzly was a liar, not just "someone". I believe that the chance that Grizzly was scum was higher than the chance that my random protection target would be attacked.

[atheotes]

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

[Andres]

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

Can you please rephrase that question?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill somebody night one.... how suspicious.

[Andres]

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill Killing somebody night one.... how suspicious.

Fixed.

EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.

When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.

[seireikhaan]

Fixed.

End result is rather irrelevent for the purposes of figuring intent.

EDIT: and confessing it in the thread is even more suspicious, I guess? Djeez, I killed a suspect. That's what pirates are supposed to do: killing suspects. Lynching is not the only way to do that. You're basically voting me because I've been handling "out of the box", not because you think I'm scum.

WIFOM

Besides, I do out of the box stuff plenty of times. Just not on night one. When townie.

When I advocated doing vig kills in Capo III in an early phase of the game, I heard the same stuff; town would never had won that game without a couple of vig hits.

You mean like my night one kill of Quintus, who was nothing but townsperson?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Andres

Trying to kill somebody night one.... how suspicious.

Fos:Yaseikhaan

Trying to lynch somebody day one...how suspicious.

There were good reasons to kill Grizzly. There were good reasons not to kill him. I can live with his death. I am not going to lynch a town player over it.


No, what worries me, is a rogue town group forming. We all know this game is a contest between townies as well as between mafia and town. So I consider it my duty to suppress any rogue town group from forming. Sasaki and Andres both openly call for mutiny. Which, however one may feel about it, is waaay too early. They have a vig group. They stubbornly refuse to give names. There are things about Andres PMs that are not cleared up entirely.
And are we sure they are not infiltrated or about to be recruited by maven/english?


I won't vote the vig group. I do not kill town. But I will be keeping a close watch on them.

Sasaki, Andres, AVSM, pevergreen, Jolt. They showed courage last night, I don't think they be afraid to have it known.

No one is voting mutiny, we just be talking, tis the pirate way.

The things about andres's pm's/kukri etc should be cleared up.

I am not a fan of a Vig group on day one. We should wait for three days at least before we start killing unless you have some pretty strong "Evidence".

Nein. I posted ze math already. Random vig killing is beneficial to the town--though I don't really support it because it seems lame. Vig killing for good reason is fine night one. Worked well in rubicon too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Random vig killing by everyone in the game would almost certainly cripple both mafia families and end this voyage rather quickly. I myself haven't suggested it because it seem to be game-breaking. The sheer amount of kills done by the town would have rather excellent odds of hitting a traitor, and they would happen too fast fer the traitors to do serious recruiting. There's also seemingly no incentive to not do kills, as doing them doesn't bring you closer to being mafia, as in Capo. Yarrrr.

[Louis VI the Fat]

There were good reasons to kill Grizzly. There were good reasons not to kill him. I can live with his death. I am not going to lynch a town player over it.


No, what worries me, is a rogue town group forming. We all know this game is a contest between townies as well as between mafia and town. So I consider it my duty to suppress any rogue town group from forming. Sasaki and Andres both openly call for mutiny. Which, however one may feel about it, is waaay too early. They have a vig group. They stubbornly refuse to give names. There are things about Andres PMs that are not cleared up entirely.
And are we sure they are not infiltrated or about to be recruited by maven/english?


I won't vote the vig group. I do not kill town. But I will be keeping a close watch on them.

[atheotes]

I I believe that the chance that Grizzly was scum was higher than the chance that my random protection target would be attacked.

what is the need for the protection target to be attacked?

Can you please rephrase that question?

Would like to hear your reasoning...thats all

[Andres]

Would like to hear your reasoning...thats all

I already gave my reasoning : Grizzly lied about the pm's; instead of wasting a round on the inevitable lynch of a liar (it's not like catching somebody in a clear lie would not have been the best case we would have had round 1), we took matters in our own hand.

Pirates need to kill suspects. I did just that, but I used the vig kill instead of the lynch. I think I've said it earlier in this game: why should we not use all means at our disposal? Vig kill is a powerful tool and Grizzly was a good target.

[Death is yonder]

Another point of consideration is that Vig Kills are not necessarily a step towards evil, as in Capo III.

The only way the Vig Kills will be detrimental, is that:

No.1: They are headed towards a treasure "personal victory"
No.2: They are scum who are trying to reduce the number of the town even more

Although Point 1 is rendered somewhat ineffective as protections are more efficient in the dollar returns.

Still... there are two sides of the coin as to whether the vig kills are beneficial now, but the point is still moot.