Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: A1_unit

I'm glad other people are finding him suspicious now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote: A1_unit

I'm glad other people are finding him suspicious now.

What was it you found suspicious about him earlier?

I'm matching the way he sounds to psycho mafia.

[Sigurd]

I am on my way to Stockholm... Using Cellphone. I will be doin some more readin when time permits.

[CountArach]

FoS: Anyone who voted for Sigurd

Simply placing a couple of votes on someone to pressure them is fine by me, but I think the way this bandwagonned and just exploded is ridiculous. Voting for anyone simply because your Captain (Who, I might add, is not a confirmed pro-town role) told you to is a great way to lynch someone who isn't on your side without annoying anyone who stands a chance of living the round and also a good way to avoid saying something substantive that might be held against you.

Vote: SSNeoperestroika - Third on the Sigurd bandwagon by my count.

[Andres]

So, why is Sigurd being lynched?

If I understand it well:

a) he was investigated N1 and result was that he was doing protection
b) he was investigated again N2 and there was nothing about protection; GH explained that second investigation reveals susceptibility (sp?), so it's normal that it doesn't say something about the night action Sig was performing;
c) CR says: Sigurd probably knew that and used the opportunity to kill on N2, because he's a good player;
d) Sigurd is afk because of RL and can't tell us about his night actions.

Is thát the case which warrants a bandwagon on Sigurd?

Really?



Big FoS Crazed Rabbit.

If you're oh so certain about Sigurd, dear Crazed Rabbit then this is the deal: if Sigurd's autopsy reveals him to be innocent, it's mutiny and you'll walk the plank. I hope you like sharks.


Vote : Louis VI the Fat

Gut feeling, can't really explain.

[Andres]

In case the edit makes my vote invalid:

Vote : Louis VI the Fat

[naut]

Hey. Long weekend is over. Back for duty. Must catch up though.

[KukriKhan]

So, why is Sigurd being lynched?

If I understand it well:

a) he was investigated N1 and result was that he was doing protection
b) he was investigated again N2 and there was nothing about protection; GH explained that second investigation reveals susceptibility (sp?), so it's normal that it doesn't say something about the night action Sig was performing;
c) CR says: Sigurd probably knew that and used the opportunity to kill on N2, because he's a good player;
d) Sigurd is afk because of RL and can't tell us about his night actions.

Is thát the case which warrants a bandwagon on Sigurd?

Really?



Big FoS Crazed Rabbit.

If you're oh so certain about Sigurd, dear Crazed Rabbit then this is the deal: if Sigurd's autopsy reveals him to be innocent, it's mutiny and you'll walk the plank. I hope you like sharks.


Vote : Louis VI the Fat

Gut feeling, can't really explain.

Gut feelings, can't explain. Less than 2 hours later (after he'd read more of the thread) his guts felt differently:

Mmmm...

Unvote : Louis VI the Fat; Vote : pevergreen

Stronger gut feeling on pever; that post seems "constructed".

And the gut feeling is soooo strong now, that:

I strongly recommend all those who voted Sigurd to switch their votes to pevergreen.

So: for advocating a Bandwagon on pever, after decrying the Bandwagon on Sigurd and voting for Louis, AND sowing the seeds of mutiny, for the SECOND time, in as many days:

This here crewman prescribes a strong antacid to quell scummy Andres' churning guts, and a

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Andres

[Andres]

Gut feelings, can't explain. Less than 2 hours later (after he'd read more of the thread) his guts felt differently:



And the gut feeling is soooo strong now, that:



So: for advocating a Bandwagon on pever, after decrying the Bandwagon on Sigurd and voting for Louis, AND sowing the seeds of mutiny, for the SECOND time, in as many days:

This here crewman prescribes a strong antacid to quell scummy Andres' churning guts, and a

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Andres

First post was after a first, quick reading before work; second post after a more close reading.

You're basically voting me for having read the last few pages of posts twice.

Anyway, now that you're here, it seems that your method of finding scum:

If'n the Cap'n don't trust his own hand-picked ossifer, who am I t' be contestin' it?

vote: Sigurd

Speak up, Sir.

comes down to blindly following whatever CR, who has never been confirmed innocent, tells you to do?

Did you actually read and analyse the case against Sigurd?

Did you, who has a bit of experience with mafia gaming, actually look at my case against pevergreen? How do you feel about the post that triggered my scumdar? It doesn't strike you as suspicious? How about him voting himself? No comment at all?

Or don't you feel like putting a lot of effort in it, as long as it ain't you who is getting lynched?

[Beskar]

I been susipicious of Andres ever since he tried to use me in a false protection to hide himself doing a Vig kill.

vote:Andres

[miotas]

[...]
Khazaar- 1 post

Can we get a little more conversation from you guys. What have you guys been up to?

Arrr, this blighter be mighty quiet for a pirate

Vote: Khazaar

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Did you check all the posts? Or is there a way to check who has how many posts in a topic?

I am on my way to Stockholm... Using Cellphone. I will be doin some more readin when time permits.

Garrrr, that be no excuse, fer free days I bin usin me mobile, an' now I be bloody happy that I'm back 'ome to me reg'lar intienet connexion rum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you check all the posts? Or is there a way to check who has how many posts in a topic?

I'm sure there's an easier way to do this that I'm unaware of, but go the the "gameroom" and click on the number of posts in this thread, which brings up the "Who Posted?" screen, where you can click on the number of posts by a given player and it shows you all their posts.

[CountArach]

I'm sure there's an easier way to do this that I'm unaware of, but go the the "gameroom" and click on the number of posts in this thread, which brings up the "Who Posted?" screen, where you can click on the number of posts by a given player and it shows you all their posts.

Nah, that's the only way.

[Andres]

I'm sure there's an easier way to do this that I'm unaware of, but go the the "gameroom" and click on the number of posts in this thread, which brings up the "Who Posted?" screen, where you can click on the number of posts by a given player and it shows you all their posts.

Nah, that's the only way.

Why are you not voting pevergreen?

[Andres]

Here:

He's someone to consider: Sigurd.

I've heard of some investigations of him. Now, this was the second investigation, which meant it had more info than the first investigation. But it didn't say he was protecting anybody, as his first investigation did.

And what do we have this night? A killing by the maven crew members, which didn't happen the first night. Maybe he was busy killing and not investigating.

That leads me to wonder just what the Quartermaster was up to last night. Perhaps he can explain it to us.

CR

Followed by:

If this is a question of mechanics, the three-tiered investigation systems works like so, with a few wrinkles:

1. What you were doing that night
2. Susceptibility (and only that)
3. True affiliation

And then CR concluding this:

Ah, I see. Still, I am suspicious. Sigurd, excellent mafia player that he is, would know those rules. He'd also be likely to know that he would most likely be investigated starting the first night, so that he could participate in evil mafioso activities on night two.

What have you been up to, Sigurd? You've been rather non-talkative through PMs and in the thread. Something in my gut makes me rather suspicious of you.

CR

And then this:

Ahoy there, me hearties!

I be askin again because it seems ye not be hearin me.

Will a couple of ye vote for Sigurd? I be havin' a bad feeling about him, and I think a little pressure would do the crew good.

I be askin' not for a bandwagon or even a lynch at this time, just some votes to put him near the top of the lynch list.

CR

Ergo, the case (CR's case, CR who first mentioned detective results to give his case more credibility) against Sigurd is:

Investigation on N2 didn't say anything about Sigurd's night actions. This is perfectly normal. But, Sigurd is a good player and would now that and there for probably was involved in scummy activities.

And based on that "case", you guys started a bandwagon on Sigurd??



a) My gut feeling is better than that; pevergreen is a better lynch.
b) Captain CR mentions detective results, but those results prove nada, because they're not conclusive -> scummy. Scummy person in a position to order town -> not good. If Sigurd is innocent -> remove CR.
c) If the detective results come from Louis: FoS : Louis; why sharing with CR? Get yourself protection (top priority; get two groups to be sure) and share with nobody until you have a conclusive third investigation. Why so careless with valuable info?

[scotchedpommes]

Captain CR mentions detective results, but those results prove nada, because they're not conclusive -> scummy. Scummy person in a position to order town -> not good. If Sigurd is innocent -> remove CR.

*sigh*

Doubtless there are those already at work clarifying the loyalties of the rabbit. Removing him will be straightforward if we need to, but you continue on your mutinous bent.

This one could do with a fry-up.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Back from a brief respite and I still see Andres pushing for that Mutiny. Andres, if we remove the good capt'n who would you suggest we replace him with?

Until I get an answer, Vote: Andres

You're seemingly desperate to get rid of CR as captain. Personally, the argument that if someone proposes a lynch and is wrong they are guilty to be weak at best and a good way to knock out townies. Two days, two attempts to discredit CR. You've clearly got an agenda and that agenda has to do with the position of captain.

[Andres]

Back from a brief respite and I still see Andres pushing for that Mutiny. Andres, if we remove the good capt'n who would you suggest we replace him with?

Until I get an answer, Vote: Andres

You're seemingly desperate to get rid of CR as captain. Personally, the argument that if someone proposes a lynch and is wrong they are guilty to be weak at best and a good way to knock out townies. Two days, two attempts to discredit CR. You've clearly got an agenda and that agenda has to do with the position of captain.

I'm a pirate. Screw up and face mutiny. If the Rabbit is correct or if he just stops being a dictator giving orders and let the pirates think for themselves, then no mutiny.

If CR gets removed, then the most manly of all pirates should take his place: Sasaki Kojiro.

[DisgruntledGoat]

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If CR gets removed, then the most manly of all pirates should take his place: Sasaki Kojiro.

At least you had the balls to state the obvious. I take it you'd be First Officer and head hunting every night right?

[Yaropolk]

Unvote Sigurd

Andres - you have me convinced, Sigurd is not that suspicious

Vote Andres

[Andres]

*sigh*

Doubtless there are those already at work clarifying the loyalties of the rabbit. Removing him will be straightforward if we need to, but you continue on your mutinous bent.

This one could do with a fry-up.

Well, he's not "clarified" yet, is he? Why blindly follow him when he makes a bad case? The sole fact of him being captain doesn't make the case against Sigurd good, does it? Yet many of you just bandwagoned Sigurd because the Captain said so. Sigurd can't even defend himself because of RL.

If CR wishes to wield so much power, then he must agree to accept the responsability that comes with such power. Failure = mutiny.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sigurd should not be lynched. Has two investigations on him already, just needs one more to clear/condemn him.

The case on pevergreen has some merit.

Andres, your making yourself an easy target...

I'm not too convinced that the hit on taka was indeed made by an undermanned town vig group. As far as I know, the rules don't say anything about if newly recruited members of the maven or the british might not be able to perform an action for their new masters the same night they were recruited. Also the cause of it's failure might lie with other causes, the write-up at least doesn't say anything about some persons missing. I know the chronology of the write up speaks against it, but maybe that is something to consider.

When it comes to voting I'm not content with the way it is going right now. We already lost two phases with wrong actions, so might I ask for some focus of the town here. Even if it is unpiraty.

Anyway, from what I've heard of Sigurd I don't think the suspicion on him is in order, I of course don't know for fact, but it is just a feeling I have. The case against A1 Unit seems to have a bit basis, but I'm not sure either.
All in all IMHO we have some real reasons to be suspicious about the people Diana presented, not say anything might be caused by a lack of time, but has also a scummy feel about it.
So I'll Vote: Khazaar.

If anybody has a better case against someone of those 5 or anybody else, let me know.

Suspiciousness overload. This is the classic "I'm mafia and want to be active but don't want to commit to anything" post. Joooray really doesn't want to be criticized for his vote on khazaar the way a few other people have drawn flak for their votes today.

For scientific reference (anecdotes are proof obviously):

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=284

Centurion was indeed guilty.

[Andres]

Andres, your making yourself an easy target...

I know. Somebody has to stir up discussion.

This is good for me as a wake-up call; I almost forgot how frustrating playing mafia can be, being at risk of getting lynched instead of Sigurd because I stated that the case against that same Sigurd () is rubbish.

[TinCow]

c) If the detective results come from Louis: FoS : Louis; why sharing with CR? Get yourself protection (top priority; get two groups to be sure) and share with nobody until you have a conclusive third investigation. Why so careless with valuable info?

Speaking from my perspective, if I was Captain, I'd demand to see the results every night or I'd kick the person out of office. What's the point of appointing a First Officer if he won't cooperate with you?

[pevergreen]

unvote, Vote: Andres
Ten to midnight, up at 6am again. I need to sleep.

[Andres]

Speaking from my perspective, if I was Captain, I'd demand to see the results every night or I'd kick the person out of office. What's the point of appointing a First Officer if he won't cooperate with you?

Then I, as a First Officer, would tell him to leave me alone or face a mutiny.

Captain can wait until he has been thoroughly investigated.

[TinCow]

Then I, as a First Officer, would tell him to leave me alone or face a mutiny.

Captain can wait until he has been thoroughly investigated.

If there is one thing that others have said about you that does stick: you seem hugely keen on encouraging mutiny. Why should the Captain even trust his First Officer? The Captain has no way of knowing whether the First Officer is scum, so why shouldn't he demand results from the First Officer, if only to ensure that his officer is actually doing his job every night and isn't off recruiting people? The Captain in this game is far more powerful than any normal 'Director' position. If he's not using that power, why is he in that position?

[slashandburn]

Yeah, he's pretty suspicious. Vote:A1unit

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It should be noted that it's supremely silly to vote someone for bandwaggoning in this game. That would be saying there's 20 or so mafia, there's been tons of bandwagon votes.

[A Very Super Market]

No suspicion? Just extended OMGUS? Fine by me!

Vote: Lord Wintah