Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.

WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?

Whether or not ATPG is killed or leaves the ship is inconsequential, as he is in effect removed from play either way. The way that the mafia wins is by removing townies from play.

If the town (presumably you) wants to kill the town, then that is called suicide. You don't win if you kill yourself.

The notion that the town would be better off if more of it were dead and gone strikes me as nothing short of ridiculous.

EDIT: How interesting. It appears TC cannot come back with a counter-argument to this.

[TinCow]

But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.

WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?

I don't want a townie to die, I want ATPG to die. There's a difference.

Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option? The answer to my rhetorical question is that he never had any intentions of dying or abandoning ship... he was making a power move for the QM position. Why would he do that?

[Subotan]

I'm tired, I need sleep and I don't have the energy to play mafia.

However, I have learned one thing from the past few hours; I am sick and tired of TinCow's bull, and if he's not mafia, then he's diverting energy from looking for them. Since I don't seem to have any other practical alternatives before I go to sleep, Vote:Tincow

Edit: Woo, 1,000th Post

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's clear the only thing TC cares about is my removal, and I will assume he will continue sending vigilantes after me or the people supporting me until I end up dead. As such, he's obviously not putting any effort into tracking down and destroying mafia. Let him continue with his quest, perhaps when he succeeds he will be happy. But otherwise, I'd consider him an unreliable source of information, analysis, or leadership.

Especially suspect is his claim that with me in office, town will lose. I wonder why that is. I can be ignored, roleblocked, etc... and I am also, again, fully investigated. What he's saying makes no sense and is an obvious lie.

Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option?

This, too, we covered during that round.

Abandoning ship isn't a sure thing. It has a significant chance of failure. I wasn't willing to take the risk, I would rather die than risk that. And you know all of this, too. Why are you causing us to repeat already posted information?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?

Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?

[Beskar]

I am not happy with the administration. It gives vitial information willynilly to people who can be corrupted which also have alternative agendas like getting a ton of gold and abandoning ship and doesn't inform people who are truly on the towns side, anything.




*insert random smilies here*

[pevergreen]

Take a step back. Both sides.


Officers: Try to look at it from our side.

All we can see if you guys saying "Oh yeah, we were cleared by the investigators. Who are they? Not telling."
Someone accuses an officer, another one clears him saying "I investigated him" great! But we don't know if that person is innocent or not. Its a big circle.

ATPG, you did make it. You forced the town into believing that they would lose if you did not get put into an uncorruptable role. I have no doubts it was a great move, but the simple fact is, I don't enjoy playing mafia with you anymore. You have stated that you wanted to stand back and roleplay, and I can see that you can still do that while in the QM position, but the fact remains, people are still going through you.

I dislike the pro town group. The whole idea. While I appreciate that leaving subtle clues in thread to say "Oh hey, I'm the doctor." which you hope the detective will pick up on, or the other way around, so the doctor will protect you, without confirming it via PM. I understand not everyone feels that way, and I am not hosting this game, so I play along.

Why do I dislike the pro town group? Because it takes away from what I think mafia should be. The uninformed majority vs the informed minority. When you get a block of anywhere between 3-x people, all being cleared internally, just saying "This person is todays lynch" and so on, there is no fun. This happened in Netherworld mafia. Although, a mafia member (myself) and a serial killer who formed his own mafia and won (TinCow) infiltrated it. It was a brilliant play by TC. He forced me to be lynched or break a rule, I broke a rule and payed for it. But since then, it has just been happening more and more.

What you all should do is stop focusing on who the maven are. In my opinion, (since I can't reveal facts) the maven are no longer a problem as of last night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can always resign from playing if need be.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?

We don't want to bandwagon anyone, we want to get discussion about subjects going.

CR

[TinCow]

Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?

Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.

CR

Very well, I will speak with you about this via PM.