Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-08-2009, 02:17

So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies.

Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.

I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-08-2009, 02:24

You seriously started a bandwagon based on that?

"I'm a townie, but I'm bored and hope I get recruited by the mafia. I won't participate in prot groups but I will in vig groups"

I would say Jolt is much less likely to be mafia on the basis of that.

Lynch mafia, not townies

**Centurion1** · 10-08-2009, 02:30

lol, i do not think i am scum. don't trust me sure.

Oh and i am not trying to suck up to sasaki, i am not really worried about him to be honest.

jolt why would a townie try to lynch a townie?

Please explain. WE KNOW ATPG is pro town

**Centurion1** · 10-08-2009, 02:31

yes but sasaki why would atpg lie?

sorry for double post by the way

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-08-2009, 02:34

You seriously started a bandwagon based on that?

Sorry, I could just say "sasaki is guilty, my gut told me". I dunno, I'd rather lynch someone who wants the town to lose. Call me crazy.

He does state he's presently a townie. He also states that he wants to be recruited, and he's voting for someone we know to be innocent. Sorry, I just don't see a helpful "townie" here, I see a person who wants to betray us like someone in Capo. He is townie in name only.

**Centurion1** · 10-08-2009, 02:40

aye he may not have any control but now he painted a big target on his head saying, PICK ME, PICK ME

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 02:41

Originally Posted by Centurion1

aye he may not have any control but now he painted a big target on his head saying, PICK ME, PICK ME

And why would they recruit someone who's already painted a target on himself? Justify it however you want, lynching someone you know is a townie is just a waste.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-08-2009, 02:45

So do we have someone we know is mafia? Or do we want to chance it and possibly randomly hit someone important to the town, as opposed to a townie who wants town to lose.

By all means, point at a known mafioso and make him walk the plank. I'm open to suggestion. What's really pointless is sudden random bandwagons based on "my gut" and nothing else.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 10-08-2009, 03:05

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Sorry, I could just say "sasaki is guilty, my gut told me". I dunno, I'd rather lynch someone who wants the town to lose. Call me crazy.

He does state he's presently a townie. He also states that he wants to be recruited, and he's voting for someone we know to be innocent. Sorry, I just don't see a helpful "townie" here, I see a person who wants to betray us like someone in Capo. He is townie in name only.

No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.

So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.

I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?

Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo

[Language please - GH]

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-08-2009, 03:09

Very well, I think it's a bad idea to randomly lynch someone who might be helpful, versus someone who is definitely not helpful. Others disagree. And the world keeps on spinning.

**LittleGrizzly** · 10-08-2009, 03:11

Are you saying the choice is between lynching Jolt or lynching someone who has been actively helping out in the groups every night ?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-08-2009, 14:03

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.

So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.

I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?

Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo

[Language please - GH]

> Jolt has at least twice been involved in vig killing innocents. There is a silly hypocrisy in Jolt's mates protesting his lynch as 'unnecessary killing of a town player'.
Half the people who protested, have been involved in killing innocents together with Jolt.

> Sasaki, you are mistaken about this game's mechanics. This game is exceedingly difficult for the town:

Investigations take a whopping three days. This game will be over before a detective has even managed to investigate a mere handful of players.

Players turn mafia without prior warning. Without any visible sign of it in the thread. In Capo, a player needs to kill to turn to the Dark Side. We get to see players turn mafia. They can also be caught doing so by detectives.
Not so here.

Lastly, all of the town players are in competition with one another too.

So again, even if the names of all the mafia players were announced by GH right now, the town could still lose. There is absolutely no reason to assume this will be a town walkover.

> For some reason, many players think that wantonly killing players is a fun thing to do. I disagree. There are roles. And there are people behind the roles. What is so cool about ending the game for some guy/gal just for the kicks of it? Just because you are disappointed that you are town?

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

**pevergreen** · 10-08-2009, 14:07

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

Coming soon to the gameroom

Somali Teenage Militia - Drugged up edition!

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 02:32

Despite his best efforts, the Cult of PizzaGuy seems to be around in this game as well. You guys do realize that Jolt is a townie and has no control over whether or not he is recruited, right?

**Jolt** · 10-08-2009, 08:30

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies.

Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.

I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.

...What??? Why? Or better yet, really? I seriously have no idea why you took the work to do that, but I can assure to everyone that I did NOT write ANY of that. This was just all too weird.
EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto, how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.

**Subotan** · 10-08-2009, 10:50

I'll be up all night on deck. Anyone want to play knucklebones?

**DisgruntledGoat** · 10-08-2009, 11:00

Pizza has been declared fully investigated and cleared. Why on Earth would he lie Jolt. I think you need to come up with a better defense than "Pizza is lying for some reason."

EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?

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