Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Also, he's lying about the chatlogs for no apparent reason.

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong. Odd that everyone seems to forget that if LG hadn't been killed, he would've been lynched immediately afterwards. That vig kill saved us a lynch... which was then used on LG's most prominent defender.

[Tratorix]

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point.

[KukriKhan]

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point.

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick!

[Tratorix]

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick!

I would have, but as far as I can tell all our esteemed Cap'n has done so far is sit around and draw pretty pictures.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso.

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong.

Wrong, not wrong...I didn't care. There were reasons to kill Grizz, there were reasons not to. I, for one, never voted for any of his killers over it.

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.


The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.
And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

[TinCow]

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.

You're remembering incorrectly. LG was killed because he admitted to having lied. Jolt was lynched because he said he was a bored townie. There's a huge difference there.

The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.

If you'd like to keep the town alive, I suggest you try to lynch people that appear like they might be mafioso, as opposed to people that appear to almost certainly be townies. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but the entire argument for lynching Jolt was based on the assumption that he was a townie. No one even suggested that he was a mafioso. Color me skeptical if you say that was the best method of keeping townies alive.

And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

And some of the protesters, like me, have been doing nothing but cooperating fully with CR-organized protection groups. Am I scum because I think what they say makes sense?

Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

And what do you think of the bandwagon that appeared afterwards? Does it not concern you that so many people were able to vote without giving any reason or being questioned over it?

[Andres]

Louis, have you ever been scum in a mafia game before?

Scum as opposed to townie.

[Captain Blackadder]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

[Andres]

There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?

EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?

[Beskar]

EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?

He has, from what I heard down the grapevine.

Only has been 3 people fully investigated. One by the "non-watchstander" and Pizza+Louis by Watchstanders.

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

While I be honest, agree with this, there is also another point to consider. In a situation where we don't know who the mafiaso is, or have any good leads, killing some one like Jolt who might be a townie but really wants to work for the mafia and hindering the town, might be a good choice, opposed to some one who is completely innocent/pro-town/working for the town.

[TinCow]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

That's it, I officially declare that lynch the laziest, most poorly thought out vote I have ever seen in any mafia game.

[DisgruntledGoat]

That's it, I officially declare that lynch the laziest, most poorly thought out vote I have ever seen in any mafia game.

Well you certainly helped by placing a somewhat random vote Diana.... Glass houses tincow. Glass houses.

FoS: Tincow

Why? You seem to care just a little too much about the way the lynch was handled. Trying to exude innocence? Have a reason to be mad that Jolt is now gone? I don't know yet. But you have my vote come the next day phase.

[Death is yonder]

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

Uh, firstly, the round is over

Secondly ATPG can't lie as the argument was centered around lying about chatlogs and uh... wanting to be a mafia, emphasis on the "wanting to be"...

There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?

Apparently it looks as if Tratorix is attacking CDF due to the fact that all those who participated with him in a group died off simultaneously and pretty fast... that and "stuff the dead can't reveal".

No idea.

[A Very Super Market]

Vote: Jolt