Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[pevergreen]

FYI, pevergreen was the fourth person in the ATPG vig hit. However, I don't think Louis was the one who killed him. This time the blunderbuss killer was described as having some sort of glowing eyes. That seems like a special role to me, not a First Officer kill.

Why didn't you rat me out last round?

If it was louis, and he is pro town, he may have made a good move.

[TinCow]

Why didn't you rat me out last round?

Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.

[pevergreen]

Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.

You did, .

I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?

[TinCow]

You did, .

I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?

I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.

[Andres]

Are you guys just waiting for your captain to tell you who will be the lynch of the day?

[CountArach]

Vote: Chaotix

Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:

We can force ATPG and Andres to leave the boat tonight. Then they won't be recruited, and they will still be townie, irrevocably. Win-win situation. If they don't leave within two phases, then we assume they are converted and lynch them. Easy as pie.

So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.

In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post, put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:

Now let's stop this bandwagon on pevergreen and go for a better target. pever is, in all likelihood, still a townie. The mafia are definitely too afraid to mutiny and draw attention to themselves.

Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.

Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Chaotix

Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:

So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.

In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post, put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:

Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.

Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.

Finally, things are getting interesting for me.

Ok, so first, you want an explanation of my votes. The first few votes I made were pure and simple nonsense votes. I will not deny that. I'm more busy now than I was during Capo, and so I don't have as much time to devote to the game. Instead of just being inactive the whole time, I try to pop in at least once per phase, and if I'm not feeling the suspicion, make a vote either on intuition, or on a bandwagon, or on anyone I like just because I am feeling funny at the moment.

The mutiny vote was because I was convinced that CR wasn't doing his job right. And by the way, at the time of the last day phase CR had not been investigated at all. This was all but confirmed to me by his officers, when they tried to get me to retract my mutiny. And, as you can see, it worked for them. I got just about a full explanation of what's been going on, and that CR's really been doing the best he can but nobody feels like listening to him right about now. So I figured I'd give them a couple of nights to see if they wind up actually finding any mafia, and if they hadn't I'd start crying for mutiny again. So I decided to follow ATPG's lead on ricera. For now, they've got the benefit of the doubt from me, and I'd like to say that the investigators should really start "following orders" instead of "taking suggestions".

As for who I think is suspicious... Sasaki. Sasaki and TinCow are setting up these vigilante groups that are only getting townies killed, they are in direct defiance of the Captain and have been killing players confirmed innocent before their deaths. Either he feels like going against the established methods for finding mafia in order to make the game harder on all of us, or he is mafia. If CR isn't going to do something about him, then he's going to have to be lynched.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

I'm sure this will make me an enemy or two, CA. I wonder if Sasaki will get his group to kill me for this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

[TinCow]

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

[Beskar]

I select: TinCow for Queen, I mean, Captain.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

You usually offer more substance in your responses than that.

Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?

[Diana Abnoba]

Killed by a vig group! You guys are not townies in that vig group. You keep killing other townies, like myself. You all must go. This is where some of the mafia are hiding, town.

To General, thanks for putting my made up character, in the write up. At least it made it more fun for me, to read about my death.

Good luck town! Get them mafia scum!

[Beskar]

It is actually a fact there was British co-operation with the vigilante hit on Diana Abnoba. Also, the reason me and Diana were both hit was not by concidence either, it was organised by those same people.

Vigilante group, step forward and come clean, if there is a townie amongst you.

[Death is yonder]

Cut me some slack, because our former Quartermaster Sigurd did turn out to be a dirty rotten Maven traitor, after all.

Aye, looks like the cap'n be deserving of some temporary slack.

Vote:Abstain

[miotas]

This is all so confusing.

Vote: Abstain for now

[a completely inoffensive name]

I will have time to read and vote after I get back from school tomorrow so I will postpone making a decision until then.

[Beskar]

I want to know why 3 people were inactive last night, while they were assigned to protection groups, if they don't speak up, I am going to vote for one of them.

So if you was inactive last night, you better speak up, incase I am referring to you.

[CountArach]

FoS: Everyone who is abstaining

Avoiding making enemies until a bandwagon forms, etc. I'm going to go over the threada little later and see what I can come up with then.

[naut]

Vote: Death is Yonder

The breeze in the rigging.
The smell of rum, 'n' vomit and stale biscuits.
And I'll point my dimpled, salt wrinkled finger.

[Louis VI the Fat]

What have you been up to, Sigurd? You've been rather non-talkative through PMs and in the thread. Something in my gut makes me rather suspicious of you.

Arrr...that there be a true cap'n.

Killed by a vig group! You guys are not townies in that vig group. You keep killing other townies, like myself. You all must go. This is where some of the mafia are hiding, town.

Yes. Apart from the lone Maven killer, the mafia are not killing themselves. Possibly, they managed to convince townies that killing other townies together with them is a clever strategy. Certainly, for the English it is.

Why don't you guys share the names of your vig group? Then we can go over it together and weed out possible English infiltrators?

(Never a good lynch candidate during the day. But at night, oh boy! Apparantly always plenty of candidates who need to be vig killed right now!)

FYI, pevergreen was the fourth person in the ATPG vig hit. However, I don't think Louis was the one who killed him.

No, it wasn't me indeed.

But hopefully, Blunderbuss Bessy will have hit the jackpot and killed an Englishman...




So who is the last maven? The one whom we presume is the 'Pirate Tale' killer?
I FoS for suspects:
A Very Super Market
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
Lord Winter
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
SSNeoperestroika

[pevergreen]

You dont need to keep looking?

[Andres]

Why don't you guys share the names of your vig group? Then we can go over it together and weed out possible English infiltrators?

TinCow just mentioned the fourth person of the vig group on ATPG: pevergreen.

So, a vig group has been TinCow, Sasaki, me and pever.

You killed me and pever already, I take you'll kill TinCow and Sasaki the next nights?

How about a First Officer convincing his Captain that killing at night is necessary? Or convincing his Captain that he hasn't been out killing but investigating?

Have we ever seen a full list of all your night actions, Louis?

Or a list with your night actions so far and some people backing up that claim?

We aren't supposed to blindly follow you, CR and ATPG, are we?

We have gotten a few mavens, but so far not a single British agent. Or is the sacrifice of an agent to give yourself some credibility sheduled for today?

I think it's time for a public role reveal and a full list of all night actions from the men we are supposed to follow blindly. It's a fair question.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Joooray - the list is made by taking the list of living players, and substracting those who voted Sigurd*, and those with an investigation result of action on them on a night the last Maven killed. You are not suspects, you are players that rae not cleared. The list serves as a starting point of discussion. I know that several players are a long shot, some work with me too, and some I totally trust too. I have an obligation to keep all possibilities open. To let other players share their thoughts, and to share what I know with the crew.

*One caveat - it is possible that the last maven considered Sigurd's lynch a foregone conclusion, and quickly voted him so as not to be on this list once Sigurd would be confirmed as maven.

So, a vig group has been TinCow, Sasaki, me and pever.


Have we ever seen a full list of all your night actions, Louis?

I know who this group is. That's why I don't vote them, kill them, or pressure them. We have long since made peace. I mean the other vig group.

My night actions are investigating. Certainly, the First Mate job description does not say 'supernatural creature with a bewitched thunderbus'. Obviously, this is some sort of special role. The 'Pirate Tale' killer I assume is the last maven. Two have been killed, the last can kill on his own. So the single kills are not me. Duh.

I hope you will be revealed to be either English or some sort of anti-officer role, Andres. Or else I just can't figure out what is up with you this game. To think that so many times have I tried to prove your innocence, both in this thread and in PM's to people. You have even been in all my wills from day one.

[Andres]

No, say investigators.

CR

What investigators? Town investigators or mafia investigators?

My night actions are investigating. Certainly, the First Mate job description does not say 'supernatural creature with a bewitched thunderbus'. Obviously, this is some sort of special role. The 'Pirate Tale' killer I assume is the last maven. Two have been killed, the last can kill on his own. So the single kills are not me. Duh.

The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?

I hope you will be revealed to be either English or some sort of anti-officer role, Andres. Or else I just can't figure out what is up with you this game. To think that so many times have I tried to prove your innocence, both in this thread and in PM's to people. You have even been in all my wills from day one.

You didn't buy me flowers.

[Yaropolk]

The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?

I can confirm I have second hand knowledge (not from CR/ATPG/LTF) that CR and LTF are townies.

[Andres]

So who is the last maven? The one whom we presume is the 'Pirate Tale' killer?
I FoS for suspects:
A Very Super Market
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
Lord Winter
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
SSNeoperestroika

So, we're only looking for mavens?

Not interested in the British agents?

[Joooray]

I have to leave home now and since I'm not sure if I'm going to able to vote later I'll have to (in lack of any better suggestions and because CA makes an interesting case) Vote: Chaotix.

@Louis:
I thought I had cleared myself of being any of the starting scum. Why do you still suspect me of being maven?

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Yaropolk

FoS: khaan, Chaotix

Arach-san has made the first decent case of the game. However going with the gut is still better at this point. Though I didn't mind ricera being lynched last round (something felt off with him - like the feeling I got when gibsons "looked for work" with CR in my group) while I get no such feeling on Chaotix. Of course, Yaropolk must die.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Yaropolk

FoS: khaan, Chaotix

RR, why are you voting for me every round?

[miotas]

So, we're only looking for mavens?

Not interested in the British agents?

The maverns seem to be doing more damage than the Brits, and maybe it's because I'm new to this, or maybe I'm just thick, but I am completely at a loss as to who the Brits could be.

Also, are we sure that the story killer is the mavern? Before last night I would have thought the Bess killer was the mavern, but now with this demonic bluderbuss, I'm not so sure.

Now my brain hurts from too much booze and thinking so I'm gonna have a snooze.