Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

**TinCow** · 10-12-2009, 04:43

Originally Posted by pevergreen

Why didn't you rat me out last round?

Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.

**pevergreen** · 10-12-2009, 05:08

Originally Posted by TinCow

Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.

You did,

.

I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?

**TinCow** · 10-12-2009, 14:02

Originally Posted by pevergreen

You did,

.

I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?

I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.

**Andres** · 10-12-2009, 14:06

Are you guys just waiting for your captain to tell you who will be the lynch of the day?

**CountArach** · 10-12-2009, 14:28

Vote: Chaotix

Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:

Originally Posted by Chaotix

We can force ATPG and Andres to leave the boat tonight. Then they won't be recruited, and they will still be townie, irrevocably. Win-win situation. If they don't leave within two phases, then we assume they are converted and lynch them. Easy as pie.

So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.

In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post, put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:

Originally Posted by Chaotix

Now let's stop this bandwagon on pevergreen and go for a better target. pever is, in all likelihood, still a townie. The mafia are definitely too afraid to mutiny and draw attention to themselves.

Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.

Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.

**Chaotix** · 10-12-2009, 18:35

Originally Posted by CountArach

Vote: Chaotix

Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:

So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.

In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post, put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:

Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.

Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.

Finally, things are getting interesting for me.

Ok, so first, you want an explanation of my votes. The first few votes I made were pure and simple nonsense votes. I will not deny that. I'm more busy now than I was during Capo, and so I don't have as much time to devote to the game. Instead of just being inactive the whole time, I try to pop in at least once per phase, and if I'm not feeling the suspicion, make a vote either on intuition, or on a bandwagon, or on anyone I like just because I am feeling funny at the moment.

The mutiny vote was because I was convinced that CR wasn't doing his job right. And by the way, at the time of the last day phase CR had not been investigated at all. This was all but confirmed to me by his officers, when they tried to get me to retract my mutiny. And, as you can see, it worked for them. I got just about a full explanation of what's been going on, and that CR's really been doing the best he can but nobody feels like listening to him right about now. So I figured I'd give them a couple of nights to see if they wind up actually finding any mafia, and if they hadn't I'd start crying for mutiny again. So I decided to follow ATPG's lead on ricera. For now, they've got the benefit of the doubt from me, and I'd like to say that the investigators should really start "following orders" instead of "taking suggestions".

As for who I think is suspicious... Sasaki. Sasaki and TinCow are setting up these vigilante groups that are only getting townies killed, they are in direct defiance of the Captain and have been killing players confirmed innocent before their deaths. Either he feels like going against the established methods for finding mafia in order to make the game harder on all of us, or he is mafia. If CR isn't going to do something about him, then he's going to have to be lynched.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

I'm sure this will make me an enemy or two, CA. I wonder if Sasaki will get his group to kill me for this.

**Yaropolk** · 10-12-2009, 18:37

Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-12-2009, 17:58

Originally Posted by TinCow

I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

**TinCow** · 10-12-2009, 18:20

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.

Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

**Beskar** · 10-12-2009, 18:24

I select: TinCow for Queen, I mean, Captain.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-12-2009, 18:24

Originally Posted by TinCow

Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy...

You usually offer more substance in your responses than that.

Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?

**TinCow** · 10-12-2009, 18:28

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You usually offer more substance in your responses than that.

Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?

Sure. When it comes to you, I definitely want you gone from office. I've never tried to hide that and I have expressed myself publicly and privately about my reasons for it. My opinions haven't changed from the start. I don't trust you, and I won't work with you. The fact that you have wormed your way into the leadership with the scummiest methodology I've ever seen has only served to undermine my trust in the leadership.