Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Beskar]

If you're so sure you're not a threat, just step down from the position. Why is that so difficult? Surely there are other people who have been investigated and found innocent. Why do you have to be the one in that spot?

Your logic is screwy. If he steps down with the information he knows and get converted by the Mafia, then the town would be lost.

Only way you are going to get him down, if you kill him.

[TinCow]

Your logic is screwy. If he steps down with the information he knows and get converted by the Mafia, then the town would be lost.

Only way you are going to get him down, if you kill him.

Again, he can abandon ship. He was 'selfless' enough to offer his own death before he got into office, though apparently not selfless enough to take himself out of the picture. If he's really got the town's interests at heart, he can remove himself from the game in that manner without causing any other problems.

[Yaropolk]

TC - I am missing your argument here. What would be the advantage of ATPG leaving the ship vs staying on as officer?

[TinCow]

TC - I am missing your argument here. What would be the advantage of ATPG leaving the ship vs staying on as officer?

I believe if he remains as an officer the town will lose. Let's call it a 'gut feeling' and leave it at that.

[Chaotix]

But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.

WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?

Whether or not ATPG is killed or leaves the ship is inconsequential, as he is in effect removed from play either way. The way that the mafia wins is by removing townies from play.

If the town (presumably you) wants to kill the town, then that is called suicide. You don't win if you kill yourself.

The notion that the town would be better off if more of it were dead and gone strikes me as nothing short of ridiculous.

EDIT: How interesting. It appears TC cannot come back with a counter-argument to this.

[TinCow]

But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.

WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?

I don't want a townie to die, I want ATPG to die. There's a difference.

Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option? The answer to my rhetorical question is that he never had any intentions of dying or abandoning ship... he was making a power move for the QM position. Why would he do that?

[Subotan]

I'm tired, I need sleep and I don't have the energy to play mafia.

However, I have learned one thing from the past few hours; I am sick and tired of TinCow's bull, and if he's not mafia, then he's diverting energy from looking for them. Since I don't seem to have any other practical alternatives before I go to sleep, Vote:Tincow

Edit: Woo, 1,000th Post

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's clear the only thing TC cares about is my removal, and I will assume he will continue sending vigilantes after me or the people supporting me until I end up dead. As such, he's obviously not putting any effort into tracking down and destroying mafia. Let him continue with his quest, perhaps when he succeeds he will be happy. But otherwise, I'd consider him an unreliable source of information, analysis, or leadership.

Especially suspect is his claim that with me in office, town will lose. I wonder why that is. I can be ignored, roleblocked, etc... and I am also, again, fully investigated. What he's saying makes no sense and is an obvious lie.

Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option?

This, too, we covered during that round.

Abandoning ship isn't a sure thing. It has a significant chance of failure. I wasn't willing to take the risk, I would rather die than risk that. And you know all of this, too. Why are you causing us to repeat already posted information?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?

Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?

[Beskar]

I am not happy with the administration. It gives vitial information willynilly to people who can be corrupted which also have alternative agendas like getting a ton of gold and abandoning ship and doesn't inform people who are truly on the towns side, anything.




*insert random smilies here*

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?

We don't want to bandwagon anyone, we want to get discussion about subjects going.

CR

[TinCow]

Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?

Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.

CR

Very well, I will speak with you about this via PM.