Mrs Hitler

[Aemilius Paulus]

Uh......

WHAT?!

Please tell me I'm reading this wrong and that you do not feel sorry for those who killed themselves in Hitlers bunker in 1945. Please.

For all you know she was an innocent secretary/maid... This is debatable. Many people believed in NSDAP, specifically in Hitler. Not all were living monstrosities. If I lived during that time in Germany, I would support Hitler with all my heart and mind.

[Hooahguy]

For all you know she was an innocent secretary/maid... This is debatable. Many people believed in NSDAP, specifically in Hitler. Not all were living monstrosities. If I lived during that time in Germany, I would support Hitler with all my heart and mind.

ah yes... to be another mindless pawn.

[Meneldil]

For all you know she was an innocent secretary/maid... This is debatable. Many people believed in NSDAP, specifically in Hitler. Not all were living monstrosities. If I lived during that time in Germany, I would support Hitler with all my heart and mind.

I disagree. All members of the NSDAP were idiots and should have been shot in 1945.

Edit: Actually, if I had been living through WWII and had witnessed by myself all the horrors committed by Nazi Germany, I would probably say that Germany itself should have been turned into a wasteland in 1945.

[Aemilius Paulus]

ah yes... to be another mindless pawn.

No more mindless than you following Republicans . It is very common for far-right or far-left patriots to follow parties mindlessly. You are far right. In fact, I rate the Nazi propaganda as much more plausible than the American conservative one. Now, of course, the Republicans are not at all evil, but their persuasive prowess is lower than that of NSDAP.

I am a fiscal conservative, but I would rather support the Pimp n' Stoner party then Republicans. My two main grievances are their anti-intellectualism and religious fervour. Democrats have plenty of their own problems, but I always saw them as less radical in their persuasion. AFAIK, there was much less "Our President is a Nazi Muslim who supports Nazi policy" and "death panels" during the Bush era. Sure, certain hot-headed Dems called President Bush an A-hole and a dumb, but compared to the lunatic accusations thrust at Obama, all that is rather tame.

Look, Hooah. You are a nationalist fella. Nothing wrong with that. I am a very strong Russian nationalist myself. But the thing is, I am not in denial of anything. You seemingly are when you made that post. Your nationalism is one that is foremost proud of your ethnic heritage. You stand by Israel no matter how dubious the IDF actions were. I am not saying anything about them. IDF may be right or wrong, more likely both.

But if you were to be born in Germany, and you grew up in the same manner, your unquestionable love of Israel would be transferred to unquestionable love of Germany. You would be the first one to join SS if they accepted you. Now, do not take this as an insult, please. It is not. I understand you will be rightfully indignant about me saying such thing about you, a Jew above all things. You have to open up your mind here. And so do the mods, before they consider giving me a two-day vacation.

I too would have joined SS if my patriotism was on par with yours. Quite likely, I would have even joined given my current level of nationalism, although I do like to think I my nationalism is rational, in the sense that it is not militaristic. I do not dream of joining the Russian Army, and you seemed to indicate your yearning to join IDF, so you seem to be more receptive to military service. Whatever the case, hindsight is not the approach here. Your mind would have been indoctrinated with propaganda, and there is no more accessible a mind than a nationalist one.

So please, cut the “mindless pawn” crap. It is preposterous. Most of us are “mindless pawns” to one degree or another.

I disagree. All members of the NSDAP were idiots and should have been shot in 1945.

Edit: Actually, if I had been living through WWII and had witnessed by myself all the horrors committed by Nazi Germany, I would probably say that Germany itself should have been turned into a wasteland in 1945.

Another Hooah-like individual. Very understandable. Hindsight 20/20. When Hitler entered the elections, he was the only person who was capable of lifting the Germany from two successive, immense depressions. Germany was the most humiliated and beaten-down nation in Europe. It was in ruins. Hitler was charismatic. His speeches gripped people and his arguments were tenfold more convincing than the sorry excuses parties give today. And unlike the politicians of today, Hitler kept most of his promises. He lifted Germany out of Depression. Out of two Depressions.

FDR could not even get America out of one. His stimulus made things slightly better for two years, and then the economy sunk again. There was almost NOTHING that he did that actually gave results. US was in the pit, and he barely succeeded in anything. He is vastly overrated in his role in the New Deal. That program had no ultimate effect on the economy. WWII was the FDR of America. It lifted this country out. Hitler Administration did it all by themselves.

Now, I too actually would not have minded to see Germany turned into a wasteland. Unlike you, I actually have a very good reason. Between twenty or twenty five million Soviets died in WWII. Only around four-five million were soldiers. Germans planned to kill 2/3 of us, and the rest turned into slaves. They massacred Soviet Jewry. They tortured children, women. They wiped out countless villages en masse. They executed our POWs. All this they did as if it was normal, as if it was the proper manner. Nothing like the Western Front. There were incidents of all this in the West, but save for the Jews, all of it was very limited and not encouraged.

Still, even with all my urges, I know those are emotions speaking in me. Not Reason. Far from all of the Germans had blood willingly on their hands. What of the children? Soviets would steamroll German refugees on the roads with tanks, a fact no Russian today regrets. Compared to Germans stringing barbed wire through the ears, passing through the brains, of Soviet children, and then hanging them in this manner, our deeds were docile. Soviet soldiers were in blind rage after seeing so many of their comrades die. But is this proper? This is madness, and you know it. I still think you were semi-trolling. How would you like to be massacred for something someone from your country did?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with AP. You can't deny human nature as some of you are trying to do. Milgram etc, etc. I like to think I wouldn't have bought into it but who really knows for sure.

-edit-

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/ph...y_of_evil.html

[Fragony]

Still, even with all my urges, I know those are emotions speaking in me. Not Reason. Far from all of the Germans had blood willingly on their hands. What of the children? Soviets would steamroll German refugees on the roads with tanks, a fact no Russian today regrets. Compared to Germans stringing barbed wire through the ears, passing through the brains, of Soviet children, and then hanging them in this manner, our deeds were docile. Soviet soldiers were in blind rage after seeing so many of their comrades die. But is this proper? This is madness, and you know it. I still think you were semi-trolling. How would you like to be massacred for something someone from your country did?

Less details would be great.

[Hooahguy]

You are far right.

right.

In fact, I rate the Nazi propaganda as much more plausible than the American conservative one.

you do?

You stand by Israel no matter how dubious the IDF actions were.

false

and you seemed to indicate your yearning to join IDF, so you seem to be more receptive to military service.

i yearn? no, as a citizen i have no choice. i figure, better make the best of it.

[HoreTore]

i yearn? no, as a citizen i have no choice. i figure, better make the best of it.

No choice? Oh come on.

Just fake suicidal and you're free to go.

[Prussian to the Iron]

but then theres the whole "howd he get married if hes dead" thing...:P

[HoreTore]

but then theres the whole "howd he get married if hes dead" thing...:P

Suicidal, not suicide.... A rather big difference

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I would like to point out that there was quite a lot of the Bush = Hitler when he was in office, just like we have the Obama = Stalin. Or whatever.

[HoreTore]

For all you know she was an innocent secretary/maid... This is debatable. Many people believed in NSDAP, specifically in Hitler. Not all were living monstrosities. If I lived during that time in Germany, I would support Hitler with all my heart and mind.

Nonsense.

The people in the führer-bunker weren't just some random hobo's rounded up at the bus station. They were the top dawgs, and their hoes. All of them were hardcore supporters of Hitler and his wars, and for that they deserve a bullet.

EDIT: And you would've supported Hitler, you say? So... You like killing and torturing people then?

[Vladimir]

Me thinks this Norwegian doth protest too loudly.

[HoreTore]

Me thinks this Norwegian doth protest too loudly.

Hmm? Quisling was quite fond of killing and torture, so he joined the Nazi's... And he deserved to be shot. Or hanged, can't quite remember how he was done away with atm.


@AP: See, in discussions like these, I have the upper hand, as I loathe both patriotism and nationalism, and I want the armed forces disbanded... I have absolutely zero love for or pride of "my country". I'm also instinctively opposed to any kind of authority and never care about things like "orders"...

A good Nazi, I would not have been.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm? Quisling was quite fond of killing and torture, so he joined the Nazi's... And he deserved to be shot. Or hanged, can't quite remember how he was done away with atm.


@AP: See, in discussions like these, I have the upper hand, as I loathe both patriotism and nationalism, and I want the armed forces disbanded... I have absolutely zero love for or pride of "my country". I'm also instinctively opposed to any kind of authority and never care about things like "orders"...

A good Nazi, I would not have been.

Were you raised to loath patriotism and nationalism? Or is it in your genes?

[HoreTore]

Were you raised to loath patriotism and nationalism? Or is it in your genes?

It is by the divine will of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is by the divine will of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

BLASPHEMY!!! I demand a duel to the death between my god and yours.

Flying Spaghetti Monster versus Fire-Breathing Leprechaun. Hmm.... if yours were in a pot of water... hmmm.... actually, pasta sounds good right about now. I agree to a truce while the pasta boils. But after that, it's a HOLY WAR!!! I will take His Noodly Appendage as a trophy!!! With a lovely bit or marinara, I'm sure it would taste divine...

[Prussian to the Iron]

@AP:

I don't have lots of time, so I'm not gonna address every point you made. But in regards to some american politics you have the wrong idea:

I am a fiscal conservative, but I would rather support the Pimp n' Stoner party then Republicans. My two main grievances are their anti-intellectualism and religious fervour. Democrats have plenty of their own problems, but I always saw them as less radical in their persuasion. AFAIK, there was much less "Our President is a Nazi Muslim who supports Nazi policy" and "death panels" during the Bush era. Sure, certain hot-headed Dems called President Bush an A-hole and a dumb, but compared to the lunatic accusations thrust at Obama, all that is rather tame.

this is bull right there. compared to what bush went through, obama is getting nothin but fruitcakes and flowers! And have you watched the news or read a paper lately? Obama is already trying to push some horrible legislations on us (such as the longer school hours, schools open on weekends, and shortened summer vacations) and he has the full support of just about everyone, for the same reason he was elected in the first place. Everyone makes mistakes, but Bush at least got some things right in a sticky situation. Obama is just making a bad situation much worse. And what about his communist broadcast to every child in every school in America? I don't know about you, but I have a 4th grader brother, a 2nd grader sister, and a kindergardener brother who (if they hadn't been pulled out of school that day) would have had to, like everyone else in the county, watched his socialist speech and then write a paper about it! 4th graders writing papers on a presidents political speech! So not only are thye subjected to visual brainwashing, but they also have it ingrained in their minds due to the paper. Bush never did that.

But if you were to be born in Germany, and you grew up in the same manner, your unquestionable love of Israel would be transferred to unquestionable love of Germany. You would be the first one to join SS if they accepted you. Now, do not take this as an insult, please. It is not. I understand you will be rightfully indignant about me saying such thing about you, a Jew above all things. You have to open up your mind here. And so do the mods, before they consider giving me a two-day vacation.

I find this offensive. I too am a Jew, and just being Jewish does not mean that we (or I at least) have unquestionable love for Israel. If the issue of Palestinians vs Israel ever comes up, I am definitely not on the side of "OMG KILL THEM ALL LOLZ!". I think there's nothing wrong with giving the stupid gaza strip to a new nation; if their morals are as bad as Israel thinks, it will fall anyway.

And joining up with the SS? Could Hooahguy maybe not be a devoted military man? Is it not possible he would forego that occupation and live a simpler life? I know I would never join any military at least, most especially one with questionable morals that slaughters and tortures prisoners for no good reason.

I too would have joined SS if my patriotism was on par with yours. Quite likely, I would have even joined given my current level of nationalism, although I do like to think I my nationalism is rational, in the sense that it is not militaristic. I do not dream of joining the Russian Army, and you seemed to indicate your yearning to join IDF, so you seem to be more receptive to military service. Whatever the case, hindsight is not the approach here. Your mind would have been indoctrinated with propaganda, and there is no more accessible a mind than a nationalist one.

Wow. You took "Ah yes, a mindless pawn" and turned it into "I love my country id do anything for it it is so awesome yay lets go we are always right". Wanting to join the military does not make you a nationalist.



Anyway this is not a thread discussing who would have done what if they lived in Nazi Germany. It's about making fun at the fact that some people might think Hitler is still alive.