Adding phalanx characteristics to sword units?

[Intranetusa]

Is it possible to add the phalanx characteristic to units with two weapons (spear and sword?)?

I wish to add them to Massilian hoplites and other hoplite units with 2 weapons. However, I do not want to turn them into a sarrissa...I just want them to form a tight classical phalanx formation like the phalanx mod made by TW Fanatic.

[XSamatan]

I am not that sure, maybe try and error the following until an experienced modder can say something more detailed:

In your EB\sp game edu backup there is a file named "export_descr_units.txt"

Make a backup.

search for "Massiliotes Hoplitai"

There is the unit, in the line "formation" there are 4 values separated with commas (not points!!), the first two should be the values for soldier spacing (in metres) side to side, then front to back for close formation. adjust these as your will. I do not know if this change is savegame compatible...

If you want to give the unit the phalanx attribute, add after "square" in the same line ", phalanx".

Actually I do not know if this could interfere with the "ligh_spear attribute".

Hope I could help out.

XSamatan

To your first question: It is possible, look at the phalanx units in EB, they all got two weapons, one spear+sword/axe

[Intranetusa]

I see.

Yes you're right- the main question is would it work with the "short spear" attribute.

So far all the phalanx and sarrissa phalanx units have either short pike or long pike attribute.

[XSamatan]

If you make a good backup, then I would just try...but inform please over the result!

XSamatan

[Olimpian]

I've given Iphik. Hoplitai the phalanx ability with spear as thei primary weapon and they work like the hoplites in vanilla - phalanx with shorter spears than phalangitai.

[Intranetusa]

I've given Iphik. Hoplitai the phalanx ability with spear as thei primary weapon and they work like the hoplites in vanilla - phalanx with shorter spears than phalangitai.

Sarrissa phalanx or classical phalanx like TW fanatic's mod?

I'm trying to avoid the sarrissa formation for "classical hoplites." But if the Iphikratous Hoplitai unit uses the sarrissa like the phalangites, then I can just add the sarrissa trait to it.

(By sarrissa, I mean their pikes prevent the enemy from getting close in a frontal attack...TW's classical hoplite mod somewhat resembles a sarrissa, but the spears are held overhanded and they fight like regular spearmen)

Do you have any screenshots? I'm currently editing my descr unit file and want to see what they would look like...
Thanks

[Olimpian]

Sarrissa phalanx or classical phalanx like TW fanatic's mod?

I'm trying to avoid the sarrissa formation for "classical hoplites." But if the Iphikratous Hoplitai unit uses the sarrissa like the phalangites, then I can just add the sarrissa trait to it.

(By sarrissa, I mean their pikes prevent the enemy from getting close in a frontal attack...TW's classical hoplite mod somewhat resembles a sarrissa, but the spears are held overhanded and they fight like regular spearmen)

Do you have any screenshots? I'm currently editing my descr unit file and want to see what they would look like...
Thanks

Here ya go:





Phalangitai vs Iphik. (notice longer spears for phalangitai)



Iphik. vs Hoplitai with TWFanatic's mod (longer spears for Iphik.)




Also, phalangitai have the first 5(?) ranks fighting, Iphik 3 and Hoplitai 2.

[Intranetusa]

Awesome!

Can you post an example of the text in your desc units for the Phalangitai vs Iphik?

I'mma change it right away since it seems to be exactly what I wanted.

Thanks

[Olimpian]

Awesome!

Can you post an example of the text in your desc units for the Phalangitai vs Iphik?

I'mma change it right away since it seems to be exactly what I wanted.

Thanks

Phalangitai:

;169
type hellenistic infantry heavy pezhetairoi
dictionary hellenistic_infantry_heavy_pezhetairoi ; Pezhetairoi
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Light_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_pezhetairoi_koinonphalangitai, 60, 0, 1.4
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy
formation 1.1, 1, 2.2, 2, 6, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 17, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.14
stat_pri_attr long_pike, spear
stat_sec 8, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 8, 5, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -3
stat_mental 13, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 2077, 519, 50, 80, 2077
ownership romans_brutii, macedon, thrace, romans_julii, numidia, slave

Iphikratous Hoplitai:

;155
type greek infantry iphikratous hoplitai
dictionary greek_infantry_iphikratous_hoplitai ; Iphikratous Hoplitai
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General_1
soldier hellenistic_infantry_iphikratoushoplitai_misthophoroihoplitai_indohellenikoihoplitai, 40, 0, 1.2
officer ebofficer_hellenic_officer
officer ebofficer_hellenic_standardbearer
mount_effect elephant -1
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation 0.7, 1.2, 2, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 14, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_pri_attr spear
stat_sec 10, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 8, 3, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, 0, -1, -2
stat_mental 11, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1275, 319, 50, 70, 1275
ownership greek_cities, slave


The bold part is what you have to add.

[Ludens]

I am moving this to the EB submod forum.

[Intranetusa]

thanks, so far it's working fine.

Now my biggest challenge is to figure out whether to give units the sarrissa phalanx w/ the "phalanx attribute" or the classical phalanx with the "short pike" attribute


I'm thinking giving "short_pike" to units with two weapons might result in some bugs, but I'll experiment...

[Intranetusa]

my attempt to give the "short_pike" attribute to units with two weapons have ended in failure.
I tried giving units such as the Baktrian noble hoplites the short pike attribute + spear attribute so they fight in a more cohesive formation.

Unfortunately, this makes their spear weapons look ridiculously long and basically disables their 2ndary sword weapon.