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    Well Louis, i usually thought such revisions largely came from some sort of necessity or goodwill(of course not all of it), but in this case it looks like blatant revisionism and just forcing your will down other peoples' throats, they say they want a more accurate translation and then go and look for pro-liberal terms like "government" ( are conservatives anarchists?) to remove them.
    In other words, they're replacing one (perceived) bias with another and either they don't even notice or at least it doesn't look like goodwill to me anymore. They don't like the message so they create a bible with their own message, makes sense for an atheist but if God gave you a message you can't just change it to whatever you like and say you believe in God, that's just idiotic.
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    Yes, Jesus was a market liberal.

    Is that site a hoax?
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    That's great!

    Some people have waaay too much free time on their hands...

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    Okay, I took a minute to look at their page. Hilarious. They're not even discussing going back to the Hebrew (for the OT) or Greek (for the NT), but rather:

    In the United States and much of the world, the immensely popular and respected King James Version (KJV) is freely available and in the public domain. It could be used as the baseline for developing a conservative translation without requiring a license or any fees. Where the KJV is known to be deficient due to discovery of more authentic sources, exceptions can be made that use either more modern public domain translations as a baseline, or by using the original Greek or Hebrew.

    There are 66 books in the KJV, comprised of 1,189 chapters, 31,102 verses, and 788,280 words.[6] The project could begin with translation of the New Testament, which is only 27 books, 260 chapters, 7,957 verses, and less than 200,000 words.

    Retranslation at rate of 20 verses a day would complete the entire New Testament in about a year. With 5 good retranslators, that would be an average of only 4 verses a day per translator. At a faster rate of 20 verses per day by 5 good translators, the entire New Testament could be retranslated in less than 3 months.

    So let me get this straight, they aren't even going to do a translation? Would that be too much work? Instead they're going to do a "conservative" paraphrasing of the King James Bible, while occasionally referencing those other, harder languages? Yikes.

    Just when I thought I had sworn off the idea of forced labor camps ....
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    Fighting bias with bias.
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    My personal favorite Chick parody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
    When Rome became Christian, Christianity was revised again. An earthly hierarchy was installed.
    Au-contraire; the then ‘political class’ (those families who could previously pursue political jobs) could now legitimately pursue clerical jobs. In case you didn't know being bishop (overseer, literally) then gradually became equivalent to running the local episcopate: a pretty big job. The hierarchy had always been there on the local level; the real adaptation was constructing a bigger framework in which those decentralized local bishops could co-operate within the context of and adhere to a single dogma. That is what Nicomedia & Calchedon are about: establishing that supra-organization.
    Ah, I see.

    So...when Rome became Christian, the political class could now legitimately pursue clerical jobs. Important functions, since the former decentralized local hierarchy was now converted into a centralized supra-organization with a single dogma?

    In other words, you mean that when Rome became Christian, Christianity was revised and an earthly hierarchy was installed?


    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios
    Not according to Pax Deorum, some 200 odd years of erratic persecution it didn't.
    Well, you go tell Pax Deorum that she misses the point. Miss Deorum no doubt realises that the Jews enjoyed a reasonable level of autonomy in Hellenistic times. Whereas in the first two centuries AD, under Roman rule, Jewish society in Palestine was under severe duress.
    This had a major impact on the development of Judaism and infant Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well Louis, I think you are really cool, and in fact I fantasize about you a lot, but I usually thought such revisions largely came from some sort of necessity or goodwill(of course not all of it), but in this case it looks like blatant revisionism and just forcing your will down other peoples' throats, they say they want a more accurate translation and then go and look for pro-liberal terms like "government" ( are conservatives anarchists?) to remove them.
    In other words, they're replacing one (perceived) bias with another and either they don't even notice or at least it doesn't look like goodwill to me anymore. They don't like the message so they create a bible with their own message, makes sense for an atheist but if God gave you a message you can't just change it to whatever you like and say you believe in God, that's just idiotic.
    I have a new one-size-fits-all answer. It is the Paranoid Style that permeates American politics, especially the right-wing:

    And finally we come to what was certainly the most stunning, indeed, shocking aspect of Hofstadter’s study, namely, the process of psychological projection. The paranoid political advocate crafts a villainous enemy and imbues the enemy with horrendous traits. And to counter this, he crafts an organization which mimics the enemy and copies its traits.
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    It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to combat secret organizations give the same flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to the point of donning priestly vestments, developing an elaborate ritual and an equally elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret operation through “front” groups, and preaches a ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along lines very similar to those it finds in the Communist enemy. Spokesmen of the various fundamentalist anti-Communist “crusades” openly express their admiration for the dedication and discipline the Communist cause calls forth.
    One aspect of the Paranoid Style is the creation of an all-poweful, villanous enemy. In this case, 'Liberal Bias'. It is seen everywhere, it is though te immensely powerful, and is thought to undermine America, God and all that is right in the world.

    The reaction of the rightwing to this, is the same as always: to counter this enemy by creating perverse mirror image of it.

    Two examples are in this very thread:
    Conservapaedia itself, and
    'The Conservative Bible'.

    Both examples aim to 'counter' the enemy, by applying his very own perfidious methods in a desperate bid to reclaim America, God and the truth.
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