Hoplites?

**AlexanderSextus** · 10-06-2009, 18:01

Are the various hoplite units in EBII going to be able to finally fight as a phalanx?

Because it gets annoying seeing them charge like a rabble of un-organized units when they are clearly spartan hoplites.

**-Praetor-** · 10-06-2009, 18:12

This area is still under experimentation.

**Antinous** · 10-07-2009, 01:23

Did shield wall no work , as a hoplite funtion?

**-Praetor-** · 10-07-2009, 04:12

It works, not fully satisfactorily, but it does give acceptable results.

But as I said, the area is still under experimentation, and any answer at this point would be premature and inexact.

**antisocialmunky** · 10-07-2009, 13:10

Have you guys tried fast attack animation/low lethality? It results in a slow push due to the enemy units being knocked backwards. Though I'm not exactly sure that would work to be honest due to the new animation system in MIITW.:-\.

**Phalanx300** · 10-07-2009, 15:24

Well I figure Shield Wall is nice though the AI wont use it and it will result in your whole line breaking apart since units can't be locked.

I sure hope you guys will give the Hoplites something special to show their formation was different. The same for the Iphikratous Hoplitai.

**Foot** · 10-07-2009, 18:09

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Have you guys tried fast attack animation/low lethality?

We cannot mod lethality in EBII. The MTW2 engine doesn't have that stat anymore (or at least it is hidden).

Foot

**antisocialmunky** · 10-07-2009, 20:17

Fast attack animation/low attack then since lethality and attack rating goto the same end.

**Mr Frost** · 10-17-2009, 06:11

Originally Posted by -Praetor-

It works, not fully satisfactorily, but it does give acceptable results.

But as I said, the area is still under experimentation, and any answer at this point would be premature and inexact.

Then could we have a premature and inexact answer ?

**G. Septimus** · 10-17-2009, 09:50

well, EB is more historically accurate, so the Spartans do that.(duuh, the Spartans never used the Phalanx)

**Maeran** · 10-17-2009, 17:16

Welcome to the board Severus, since I've not seen you here before.

I think you're confusing your phalanxes.

Hoplites did indeed fight in a phalanx formation, but not the Macedonian style pike phalanx. There is plenty of discussion on the two styles on this forum and elsewhere on the net.

**The General** · 10-17-2009, 17:22

Originally Posted by Maeran

Welcome to the board Severus, since I've not seen you here before.

I think you're confusing your phalanxes.

Hoplites did indeed fight in a phalanx formation, but not the Macedonian style pike phalanx. There is plenty of discussion on the two styles on this forum and elsewhere on the net.

I kind of thought he was referring to the well-known documentary about Spartan warfare in 5th century BC.

**mlc82** · 10-27-2009, 17:24

What about using something like the "Hoplite Density mod" here?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...hlight=density

They keep their spears (instead of the generic short pike), and the tighter formations make them look like they're using shieldwall (and fighting in a phalanx instead of individually) without the need of the special ability that the AI has no idea how to use.

TWFanatic's hoplite mod with the short_pike works as well (I wouldn't play EB without TWFanatic's mod before finding the above mod) , though the short pike weapon looks silly compared to EB's spears.