That was the English.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
That was the English.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pinten
Down with dried flowers!
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Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
A.K.A. the ones who have America to thank for their survival? USSR primarily won the war, and I doubt anyone in the Backroom will seriously debate that. Even Churchill conceded to that - I forgot the exact quote, but the was saying how Russia was bled white by the Allies, who let the Soviets do the vast majority of the work.
Do I even have to mention the mostly fourth rate troops that the Germans stuck in the Atlantic Wall? The former Polish and Russian POWs? The crippled former front-line troops? The older-aged recruits in their forties and fifties? That was what the Normandy invasion forces initially fought against. Especially the first category surrendered in droves. Those Russians and Poles may have hated Stalin, but they had little or no quarrel with the Western Allies. They would have been more useful fighting the Soviets...
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Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
Oh please. You guys were too busy fighting off the Mongols to be of any real help.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pinten
Down with dried flowers!
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Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
Gah, do you not think this thread already has enough trolling to try to pull one off yourself?
Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
Back to Ahmadinejad et al. please.
If you simply must bait A.P. this way regarding WW2, please do so in the Monastery, where he can: a) defend the honor of the Rodina using all the historical evidence he wishes, and
b) some other moderator has to deal with it.
Thanks!
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Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
This is possibly a little tangent off the direct topic of conversation but I believe its related to the conversation at large...
I know exactly what the shah was and that was a friend to America in a place where friends are hard to come by.
Aside from Israel (we'll put that to the side for the moment) why do you think America is so hated in the ME, because of support for tyrants like the Shah (which incidently you/we otherthrew a democratic goverment to install)
If your going to constantly think like that, us vs them, then you are constantly going to make policy which makes them even bigger enemies, rather than trying to work past your differences your continuing the conflict with your attitude.
The reason you have hardly any friends in the middle east is because you go around pissing people off, the peoples off the middle east didn't declare you an enemy when your country formed, its your actions over the years that caused you to become the enemy. Continuning such actions now, because they are now your enemies is going to do nothing to reverse the course you set yourself
Russia did most of the work in WW2 (against the nazis at least) anyone who says differently is a troll or doesn't know WW2...
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Re: Shalom, Mr Ahmadinejad
When that's all you have to choose form in the region it's slim pickings cowboy.
I'm fully aware we overthrew a government but we can't go back and change that.like the Shah (which incidently you/we otherthrew a democratic goverment to install)
I support the libreals in Iran and until they get into power I would like to make dinnerjackets life as hard as possble. But make no mistake we pull out of the ME tmrw and people will still hate us. We are past the point of no return with a majority of these people. I'm fully aware that we did some BS to start but it's useless to go back and say "THIS IS WHYYYYY" without offering anything else.If your going to constantly think like that, us vs them, then you are constantly going to make policy which makes them even bigger enemies, rather than trying to work past your differences your continuing the conflict with your attitude.
The reason you have hardly any friends in the middle east is because you go around pissing people off, the peoples off the middle east didn't declare you an enemy when your country formed, its your actions over the years that caused you to become the enemy. Continuning such actions now, because they are now your enemies is going to do nothing to reverse the course you set yourself
Pappy fought in the pacific.Russia did most of the work in WW2 (against the nazis at least) anyone who says differently is a troll or doesn't know WW2...
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