President O'Bama Nobel Laureate...

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

@Count. Have you listend to the speech in Cairo and are you aware on the efect it had on the relationship between the muslim world and the USA?

Yes... so what? He still perpetuates the status quo on the Israel-Palestine situation.

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

edit: As far as I know, the peace nobel prize is awared for the endavor, not the results. And you can't argue that Obama is not trying to improve the worlds situation.

I'm not arguing that he isn't trying, but thousands of other people are working towards it as well. He is simply in a high-profile position and has a penchant for oratory.

Fixiwee - would you say that ramping up activity in Afghanistan, thus conducting an action that will harm relations with the Muslim world, is a move that is becoming of a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize?

silly to say the least but stranger things have happened

Haha. Good joke.

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

This prize is a hint that this path is the only one for global peace.

never have i seen a more glorious example of hubris.

tho as yet i am not sure whether it belongs to a bunch to scandinavains for thinking they know best on matters of world governance, or to you for ascribing such divine judgement to those same scandinavians.

Originally Posted by Furunculus

never have i seen a more glorious example of hubris.

tho as yet i am not sure whether it belongs to a bunch to scandinavains for thinking they know best on matters of world governance, or to you for ascribing such divine judgement to those same scandinavians.

(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding

Anyway. It's quite funny that you use words like hubris concerning my post, yet also remarking sarcasm like "divine judgement". If I am presumptuous, then so are you.

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

Originally Posted by furunculus

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

This prize is a hint that this path is the only one for global peace.

never have i seen a more glorious example of hubris.

tho as yet i am not sure whether it belongs to a bunch to scandinavains for thinking they know best on matters of world governance, or to you for ascribing such divine judgement to those same scandinavians.

(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding

Anyway. It's quite funny that you use words like hubris concerning my post, yet also remarking sarcasm like "divine judgement". If I am presumptuous, then so are you.

nothing merely your assumption that some random scandinavians are qualified to sit in judgement on success not yet gained.

again, it is not i that ascribes such wonderful foresight to the nobel muppets, but you.

They should create a new Nobel Prize category: "For Being Barack Obama." Then they can subsequently award it to him every year for the rest of his life.

Originally Posted by rvg

They should create a new Nobel Prize category: "For Being Barack Obama." Then they can subsequently award it to him every year for the rest of his life.

sums it up, people should stop doing this his job is hard enough without such pressure. Might even hurt their cause elevating him to high, give the man some time.

Originally Posted by Furunculus

nothing merely your assumption that some random scandinavians are qualified to sit in judgement on success not yet gained.

again, it is not i that ascribes such wonderful foresight to the nobel muppets, but you.

You have only made a joke out of my statement yet. Please tell me what is wrong about diplomacy, the will to talk to each other and rewarding a man for the intentions? If you are trying to derail my statement ad absurdum I fail to understand the reason behind it.

Leave it to the Norwegians

I was convinced this was another Onion article, until I clicked the link. I realize they've given the NPP to some offbeat characters such as Yasser Arfafat and Henry Kissinger, but this one really takes the odd cake.

One more tick-mark on the "To-Do" list of Things to Accomplish Before being Selected Simultaneous Secretary General of The United Nations and NATO, after this part-time gig as POTUS.

I think it was rather shrewd by the Nobel committee. Jump on Obama's recent acquiesences to Russia (blocking deployment of the missile shield) and Iran (will not prevent them from developing nuclear weaponry) and reward these in such a high profile, verifiable manner as to prevent the President from ever acting out of accord with their wishes in the future when he becomes more mature in his term (and when presidents stop playing world diplomat and start playing to the home crowd again to get reelected).

What's that? You want to prevent Venezuela from invading Costa Rica? But we gave you the Peace Prize.... you have to just verbally condemn it, you can't actually DO anything about it....

Originally Posted by Fixiwee

• Russia
• The muslim world
• Europe
• Iran

He got the nobel prize for those achievments. This prize is a hint that this path is the only one for global peace. Something the former administration did not realize.

So essentially he gets a Nobel Prize for doing his job and he has not actually achieved too much of that. I really do think that while it is admirable work he's done and all; it is not really Nobel Prize material: not yet. Nobel Prizes should go to continuous & sustained efforts, for perseverance in the face of difficulty and to exceptional breakthroughs in the field of endeavour. So far Obama has done a lot but it is mostly symbolic and certainly not a continuous & sustained effort (he's been in office for less than a year); though it is certainly better than the rile-up-the-rest-of-the-world-and-do-not-care attitude that the previous administration was so successful at.

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

So essentially he gets a Nobel Prize for doing his job and he has not actually achieved too much of that.

In a nutshell: He does his work a lot better then his predecessor

I really do think that while it is admirable work he's done and all; it is not really Nobel Prize material: not yet. Nobel Prizes should go to continuous & sustained efforts, for perseverance in the face of difficulty and to exceptional breakthroughs in the field of endeavour.

From the NY times:
As to whether the prize was given too early in Mr. Obama’s presidency, he said: “We are not awarding the prize for what may happen in the future but for what he has done in the previous year. We would hope this will enhance what he is trying to do.”

The prize committee said it wanted to enhance Mr. Obama’s diplomatic efforts so far rather than anticipate events in the future.

So far Obama has done a lot but it is mostly symbolic and certainly not a continuous & sustained effort (he's been in office for less than a year);

Sometimes a symbol is all it takes. Thes speech of Cairo cannot be downplayed.

though it is certainly better than the rile-up-the-rest-of-the-world-and-do-not-care attitude that the previous administration was so successful at.

So?

Sometimes a symbol is all it takes. Thes speech of Cairo cannot be downplayed.

Yes but my point is that is a symbol from a man who's been in an office from which we expect symbols like that on a regular basis; also a man who's promised lots of stuff but so far has yet to deliver much of that too -- when there are so many other and at the moment certainly more deserving candidates with a much more inspiring track record?

As it stands it's a bit of a waste of a Nobel Prize moment, really.

CountArach summed it up nicely:

I'm not arguing that he isn't trying, but thousands of other people are working towards it as well. He is simply in a high-profile position and has a penchant for oratory.