....pour quoi?
....pour quoi?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Not everyone is as refined in foreign languages as yourself.
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Not really sure why to be honest...
- Hasn't achieved anything conrete on Palestine-Israel, whilst not condemning Israel strongly for their invasion.
- Pursuiing nuclear disarmament without... you know... disarming himself...
- Continuing and perhaps escalating Afghanistan
- Withdrawing from Iraq, but not totally
Surely there are far better people than this?
Oh and I realise that I am going to be agreeing with Conservatives on this one... yes I am confused too.
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
"for what reason?"
jolly good question.
obama hasn't done anything yet, so this only devalues the Peace Prize further, and gives Obama's critics a comedy stick to beat him with.
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Obama has improved the diplomatic relationship with
- Russia
- The muslim world
- Europe
- Iran
He got the nobel prize for those achievments. This prize is a hint that this path is the only one for global peace. Something the former administration did not realize.
He did not start the two wars that you are talking about. Starting wars is easy y'know.
Nuclear disarmament is a long process. You can't think that the 3 weeks since the UN meeting is enough time y'know.
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8298580.stmUS President Barack Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
No he won.
@Count. Have you listend to the speech in Cairo and are you aware on the efect it had on the relationship between the muslim world and the USA?
edit: As far as I know, the peace nobel prize is awared for the endavor, not the results. And you can't argue that Obama is not trying to improve the worlds situation.
Quite extraordinary.
The Nobel Peace committee has long bounced between respectability and sheer political fawning (with occasional visits to La-la Land) but this is weird even by their standards.
Good intentions are the road to Hell, not to a Peace prize. If President Obama wants to show class and his commitment to change, he'll refuse the award. In his shoes, I'd be too embarrassed to show up.
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It still seems weird even to me, if it's just about effort you could just as well give it to me, I'm really thinking about world peace often and haven't hurt any muslims.
And what Banquo just said.
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i have "yes we can" tatooed on my manly parts, and i bought a dish-dash when i was last on holiday in foreign parts, can i have one too?
Last edited by Furunculus; 10-09-2009 at 13:02.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
No you can't.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
My initial thought is that this is ridiculous. At a later time, maybe..
Last edited by Viking; 10-09-2009 at 12:12.
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So essentially he gets a Nobel Prize for doing his job and he has not actually achieved too much of that. I really do think that while it is admirable work he's done and all; it is not really Nobel Prize material: not yet. Nobel Prizes should go to continuous & sustained efforts, for perseverance in the face of difficulty and to exceptional breakthroughs in the field of endeavour. So far Obama has done a lot but it is mostly symbolic and certainly not a continuous & sustained effort (he's been in office for less than a year); though it is certainly better than the rile-up-the-rest-of-the-world-and-do-not-care attitude that the previous administration was so successful at.
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In a nutshell: He does his work a lot better then his predecessor
From the NY times:I really do think that while it is admirable work he's done and all; it is not really Nobel Prize material: not yet. Nobel Prizes should go to continuous & sustained efforts, for perseverance in the face of difficulty and to exceptional breakthroughs in the field of endeavour.
As to whether the prize was given too early in Mr. Obama’s presidency, he said: “We are not awarding the prize for what may happen in the future but for what he has done in the previous year. We would hope this will enhance what he is trying to do.”
The prize committee said it wanted to enhance Mr. Obama’s diplomatic efforts so far rather than anticipate events in the future.
Sometimes a symbol is all it takes. Thes speech of Cairo cannot be downplayed.So far Obama has done a lot but it is mostly symbolic and certainly not a continuous & sustained effort (he's been in office for less than a year);
So?though it is certainly better than the rile-up-the-rest-of-the-world-and-do-not-care attitude that the previous administration was so successful at.
Yes... so what? He still perpetuates the status quo on the Israel-Palestine situation.
I'm not arguing that he isn't trying, but thousands of other people are working towards it as well. He is simply in a high-profile position and has a penchant for oratory.
Fixiwee - would you say that ramping up activity in Afghanistan, thus conducting an action that will harm relations with the Muslim world, is a move that is becoming of a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize?
Last edited by CountArach; 10-09-2009 at 12:28.
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
It would probably have been a good idea to already decline when the nomination became public, this would have helped to avoid this odd situation.
At the risk of being repetitive - this is indeed a very odd decision.
It actually even robs Obama of the chance to receive this honor for potential tangible achievements a couple of years down the road which would be much more satisfying.
A gesture to show that he is on the right track? Nice - but a complete waste IMHO. He receives enough praise already - and no matter whether this praise is justified or not, at this point it seems completely unnecessary to throw in a Nobel prize to hammer the point home.
I am rather disappointed...
silly to say the least but stranger things have happened
Haha. Good joke.
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Yes but my point is that is a symbol from a man who's been in an office from which we expect symbols like that on a regular basis; also a man who's promised lots of stuff but so far has yet to deliver much of that too -- when there are so many other and at the moment certainly more deserving candidates with a much more inspiring track record?Sometimes a symbol is all it takes. Thes speech of Cairo cannot be downplayed.
As it stands it's a bit of a waste of a Nobel Prize moment, really.
CountArach summed it up nicely:
I'm not arguing that he isn't trying, but thousands of other people are working towards it as well. He is simply in a high-profile position and has a penchant for oratory.
Last edited by Tellos Athenaios; 10-09-2009 at 12:47.
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Last edited by Furunculus; 10-09-2009 at 13:11.
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They should create a new Nobel Prize category: "For Being Barack Obama." Then they can subsequently award it to him every year for the rest of his life.
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I was convinced this was another Onion article, until I clicked the link. I realize they've given the NPP to some offbeat characters such as Yasser Arfafat and Henry Kissinger, but this one really takes the odd cake.
One more tick-mark on the "To-Do" list of Things to Accomplish Before being Selected Simultaneous Secretary General of The United Nations and NATO, after this part-time gig as POTUS.
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I think it was rather shrewd by the Nobel committee. Jump on Obama's recent acquiesences to Russia (blocking deployment of the missile shield) and Iran (will not prevent them from developing nuclear weaponry) and reward these in such a high profile, verifiable manner as to prevent the President from ever acting out of accord with their wishes in the future when he becomes more mature in his term (and when presidents stop playing world diplomat and start playing to the home crowd again to get reelected).
What's that? You want to prevent Venezuela from invading Costa Rica? But we gave you the Peace Prize.... you have to just verbally condemn it, you can't actually DO anything about it....
Last edited by Don Corleone; 10-09-2009 at 14:38.
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