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    the fact is, you cant predict these things.

    Well time to stop watching the weather then... do you now how many variables there are even in short term forecasting ?

    Are you saying we can't predict them to a good enough degree of accuracy or are you saying we cannot predict them at all...?

    Edit: the ironic thing about global warming is us poor sods in Britian are actually going to get colder because of it. Stop global warming, save Britians summers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    the fact is, you cant predict these things.

    Well time to stop watching the weather then... do you now how many variables there are even in short term forecasting ?

    Are you saying we can't predict them to a good enough degree of accuracy or are you saying we cannot predict them at all...?

    Edit: the ironic thing about global warming is us poor sods in Britian are actually going to get colder because of it. Stop global warming, save Britians summers!
    youre right. i should. they predicted no rain today and whatya know. rain.
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    youre right. i should. they predicted no rain today and whatya know. rain.

    Yeah good thinking, also laugh at those fools paying attention to those silly hurricane warnings and other such nonsense. You should calmly stop someone rushing around panicing and tell them that the variables are far too many so it is pointless to prepare...

    If you are really unhappy with the accuracy of short term forecasting then you are quite frankly impossible to please, no we cannot predict these things with complete accuracy but to a very high success rate, obviously with longer term the margin for error grows but they do not get these numbers from the lottery or some other random process, the models could be said to be our best possible educated guess...
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    you are obviously no geologist, climate is the archtype of the complex system.

    and most of the problems that have been identified thus far with the IPCC are precisely because mechanisms that have previously been not understood were understandably ignored when when using computers to model potential outputs from the known inputs.

    that's the problem with the AGW fanbase, too many of them are obviously grade school.


    Im assuming you didn't disagree with the we pumps loads of CO2 part... so does CO2 in the atmosphere not help the Earth retain more of the sun's heat ? or is the world not getting warmer ?

    Im not saying the Earth temprature rely's solely on CO2 or is some simplistic thing, what I am saying is if the world is getting warmer and CO2 helps make the world warmer and were pumping loads of extra CO2 into the atmosphere... maybe we should try to cut down....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post

    Im assuming you didn't disagree with the we pumps loads of CO2 part...
    so does CO2 in the atmosphere not help the Earth retain more of the sun's heat ?
    or is the world not getting warmer ?

    Im not saying the Earth temprature rely's solely on CO2 or is some simplistic thing, what I am saying is if the world is getting warmer and CO2 helps make the world warmer and were pumping loads of extra CO2 into the atmosphere... maybe we should try to cut down....
    not at all, CO2 has risen as a percentage of atmosphere, and that increase is largely anthropogenic.
    yes it is a greenhouse gas.
    and yes, the earth did experience a significant warming trend in the second half of the 20th century.

    i'm saying that climate science has been too poorly understood for scientists to start asking politicians to spend trillions on lowering CO2 emissions.

    if it is anthropogenic, but not principally CO2 induced then we ware wasting money
    if it is anthropogenic and CO2 induced, but not catastrophic then we are wasting our money
    if it isn't principally anthropogenic, then we are wasting our money
    if it isn't principally anthropogenic, but is catastrophic then we are wasting our money
    if there is no catastrophic change for whatever reason we are wasting our money

    the principle green aim i hold to is maintaining a biosphere that enables and advances the human condition, that includes:
    > reducing pollution
    > providing clean water
    > providing housing
    > providing storm protection
    > providing electricity and non-poisonous heat sources

    the list could include reducing CO2, but it won't until i'm convinced the AGW is both catastrophic (i.e bad for the human race), principally anthopogenic (i.e. we won't buck natural cycles), and principally caused by CO2 (i.e. how much money should we spend on each anthropogenic cause).
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    I'm not sure who to beilive. But I live 800 miles inland so it doesn't matter.
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    Global warming is not science, it is a political issue. General Relativity is accepted the world over, and yet it is tested constantly. That is how the scientific method works. Anyone with the same data can get the same result using science. So, I can question Al Einstein, but I can’t question Al Gore?

    Global warming is presented as beyond question to hide its many faults. People create the so called science of environmentalism and then when they generate results, it can only be peer reviewed by, you guessed it, other environmentalist people of like mind. Hence, phrases like, “most scientists agree”. If you read the U.N.‘s work on Global Warming, they even officially tiptoe around this problem by calling the work in progress as “vanguard science”. All that is known with certainty is that the amount of carbon dioxide in the air has increased over about a century by about 100 parts per million parts (from approximately 287 to 380). There is no proof that these results are the sole reason for any changing of the climate, or that the data from the nineteenth century can even be trusted.

    How do environmentalist/leftists get the rest of us to use huge mass transit systems, solar and wind power and “save the world”? Why, by indoctrinating our youth to vote for their agenda and no one else's. That’s the only science Al Gore understands.
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    Im not going to get to into the science of it (out of my depth, why I try to avoid global warming topics...) but just to say I don't rule out that the earth is going through a natural warming trend atm and if it is that ins't great but theres not much we can do about it... what we can do however is remove our own acceleration of the process... CO2 undoubtedly has some effect on the atmosphere and considering at the very least we are in a natural warming atm and it takes a while for the effects of the CO2 we have released to fully take effect and with the rest of the world trying to catch our CO2 emitting levels...

    Maybe just maybe we should try and cut down on it somewhat... TBH most money towards it is multi beneficial anyway the money doesn't just make us produce less CO2 it reduces pollution and the like...

    Agent Miles yes those evil lefties just like they indocrinated the youth into believing we evolved from lower animals and other such nonsense ?

    The reason there is a wide consesus is because alot of scientists who specialise in that field agree, make of that what you will but im convinced most scientists would love to trump someones theory with thier own... unfortunately they mostly agree be it some leftist conspiracy or based on scientific research... who knows...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    I'm not sure who to beilive. But I live 800 miles inland so it doesn't matter.
    Right on, brotha! A little more sun this far north can only be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    the principle green aim i hold to is maintaining a biosphere that enables and advances the human condition, that includes:
    > reducing pollution
    > providing clean water
    > providing housing
    > providing storm protection
    > providing electricity and non-poisonous heat sources

    the list could include reducing CO2, but it won't until i'm convinced the AGW is both catastrophic (i.e bad for the human race), principally anthopogenic (i.e. we won't buck natural cycles), and principally caused by CO2 (i.e. how much money should we spend on each anthropogenic cause).
    That's my point too but it's subject to individual interpretation. How important is biodiversity to the human condition? How do you track, maintain, and control all the influences? You experience the same problems as with global warming.

    I still say we migrate. The technological advances and lessons learned along the way will go a long way to improving life here on Earth. This petri dish is getting crowded.


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