No more global warming?

[Subotan]

Planetary Alignment you say?

[Fragony]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...core-petit.png

What else

[Subotan]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...core-petit.png

What else

The way you apply science so selectively is astonishing.

[Fragony]

The way you apply science so selectively is astonishing.

You are of course correct. What we can clearly see in this graph is a cycle of industrial ages leading to CO2 output, and the dust is because earth dies each and every time.

But then again maybe it doesn't. Good thing warmists like hockeysticks as there are billions of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

[Subotan]

Luckily, the IPCC has more backbone that Fragony gives it credit for.

In a robust defence of his position and of the science of climate change, Pachauri said:

• The mistake had seriously damaged the IPCC's credibility and boosted the efforts of climate sceptics.
• It was an isolated mistake, down to human error and "totally out of character" for the panel.
• It does not undermine the "basic truth" that human activity is causing temperatures to rise.
• That he would not resign and was #subject to lies about his personal income and lifestyle.

[Fragony]

Luckily, the IPCC has more backbone that Fragony gives it credit for.

This isn't just about the IPCC anymore mia muca

[CountArach]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...core-petit.png

What else

Note how:
1) We haven't come out of that high temperature.
2) Dust has come out of that high range.
3) CO2 has increased

You can't post graphs without explaining what you are trying to say in using them.

[PanzerJaeger]

I’m probably late to the party, but here’s my opinion re:the conspiracy discussion.

While there is no evidence (and no reason to believe) that Al Gore is sitting at the head of an evil organization using Global Warming as a front for world domination a la Dr. Evil, it is quite clear that there is a powerful group of aligned interests far too invested in the theory to allow it to be questioned. Many scientists have staked their careers on the theory panning out, while many left wing politicians have embraced it as sequitur to increased government power and regulation, especially over Leftist boogey-men such as large corporations and industry. The recent EPA ruling on co2 in the United States opens the door for unprecedented government power over virtually all aspects of American’s lives. Then you have the profiteers, such as Gore, who stoke fears of apocalyptic destruction to peddle books and “Green” technology. And of course, at this point everyone’s reputation is on the line.

What is worrying is that these varied groups are increasingly dependent on each other in a vicious cycle for support, especially now that there is a concerted movement challenging the validity of the theory. The scientist rely on government grants for their livelihoods and to continue their research, while the politicians need a steady stream of cataclysmic “projections” and “models” to stoke fears and maintain support for an expansion of government power that is only acceptable in the public’s eyes under the guise of “saving the planet”. Of course the profiteers need both of the aforementioned parties to stay in business.

None of this is to say that man-made global warming is definitively false, or even that the original fears were not completely justified given the computer models at the time. However, Global Warming… err… Climate Change is now an industry, complete with balance sheets and lobbyists. And what is clear is that despite mounting evidence the runs contrary to the theory, there is an entrenched group of powerful interests pushing wild and unjustified claims of global catastrophe on a populace with no real way to parse the science behind it; with far more at stake than an egalitarian concern for the future of the planet – as evidenced by the fact that even if the harshest legislation were passed across the globe, their own projections indicate it would have little to no actual impact on global temperatures. Even more troubling is the demonstrated willingness of this collusion to alter and even eliminate contrary data and target the careers of opposing scientists for destruction. Scary stuff, indeed.

[InsaneApache]

Wasn't Pachauris' job fixing trains or summat? Obviously well qualified to head up a global con trick organisation propagating inquiring into global warming.

[Fragony]

Welcome back PanzerJaeger.

You can't post graphs without explaining what you are trying to say in using them.

I thought I made it pretty clear. No such thing as manmade global warming. It just doesn't exist.

[CountArach]

Welcome back PanzerJaeger.

You can't post graphs without explaining what you are trying to say in using them.

I thought I made it pretty clear. No such thing as manmade global warming. It just doesn't exist.

Yes, I know that is what you think, but you have not refuted any evidence nor provided any alternative explanations.

[Fragony]

Yes, I know that is what you think, but you have not refuted any evidence nor provided any alternative explanations.

That's odd I thought I just did, planetary alignment, do you deny planetary alignments? Look at the moon and what it does to the currents every day, but sure a change in planetary alignments has no effects on oceanic currents whatsoever, no effect, it's Co22222222222 brrr