Hardees v.s. McDonalds

[Tribesman]

FYI, yeah I do collect coupons. It is not a 'cheap' thing, it is a smart thing. Sorry, but I think it is outrageously stupid to waste money because you are afraid of carrying coupons or just too lazy.

Coupons are a marketing gimmic to shift crap. Buying crap at a reduced price is still buying crap.

BTW, I did not know that they had any Macys in Ireland, is that something new?

Thats funny there ain't no Hardees either.
Work that one out

[Ronin]

not really, at least not here in the US. the closest we have to that are pizza places, but in israel schwarma joints and pizza places are the fast food. oh, and in israel there is kosher Buger King and Pizza Huts and the like. Bugur King wasnt anything special, but Piza Hut was awesome.

There was this place in Tel Aviv, called Agadir I think, that had some of the best burgers I ever had...it was a normal restaurant though, so I guess it wouldn´t qualify as "fast food"..

very good looking female waitresses also

[caravel]

Mince Beef, onion, herbs, and blackpepper?

I am guessing you meant Mc Donalds though.

"Minced Beef" is a somewhat loose term. There is minced beef and there is minced beef. The preferable kind is that which has been produced from decent custs of meant, though this is rarely the case when it comes to mince - especially the economy stuff used in fast food outlets. Such burgers have no real texture and it takes the addition of soya to provide this.

The beef burgers sold in fast food outlets tend to comprise of bone meal, fat, soya and offal. Lean meat rarely features. McDonalds had an advertising campaign over here some years back that involved the words %100 British Beef". Again a loose term. If I liquidise the spine, eyeballs and udders to make my McNagamasaburger it's still %100 percent british beef and there is no burger made of 100% beef anyway. It's deliberately misleading and simply means that the beef is not from any other countries...

[Beskar]

I was refering to my home-made burgers using quality mince meat. They are very nice.

I was making a point that not all burgers are actually bad. It is just a food that recieved lots of negative press because of companies like Mc Donalds.

[Meneldil]

lmao, you are forgetting that I was in Europe Meneldil. Europeans eat fast food like crazy! There were multiple McDonalds and Burger Kings in every city I went to, and they were always mobbed.
And FYI, I worked at a sit-down restaurant once, if you think that the food there is any healthier, you are making a big mistake. I washed dishes, but I saw the way the made the food there and what they used. A lot of restaurant's strategies is just to soak things in oil and salt to disguise the taste of the garbage they cook...no different than a fast food place.

Of course there are fast food places in Europe. I'll let you find where they all came from (though there are a few european fast food brands, which are just as bad as others).
Now, most people I know eat there every once in a while, because it's cheap and fast. But even there, or at least in France, you'll see 10 times more people buying handmade sandwhiches with real bread and ham, chicken, tuna and what not than people going to cheap ass fast-food places.

Most people who go to fast foods regularly here are what you call "white trashs" and "scums". They have no taste because they also have no brain. They'll get fat and ugly, and that will be well deserved.

On the other hand, a huge load of peopleeats at fast food places in North America. I had 4 room mates last year in Canada. Except for the chinese one (who kept cooking chinese food) none of them was able to cook a burger, pasta or rice by himself. So, they went to the Taco place (tm), to the Burger place (tm), to the Pizza place (tm). No wonder half of them weighted 3 times more than me even though they're only 25. And it wasn't only my room mates. I met a lot of canadians and americans, and most of them were completely unable to cook. So they all went for some junk food.
Same thing in the US. Streets are filled by fast food places, but decent restaurants? They're few and far inbetween (note that I went only to New-England, things might be different elsewhere in the US, but I doubt it).
Now, I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but the fact that obesity is a huge problem in the US and in Canada might be somehow tied to the fact that there's a fast-food place every five meters, and that people overall eat a bunch of unhealthy crap. Or maybe it's just the climate, or some yet undiscovered disease
(Note that there are more and more obesity issues in Europe too, and most the people who studied the issue pointed at a - fast food places, b - other junk food and c - bad eating habits).
And I also worked in a restaurant. Not a cosy 3 stars restaurant, but a decent one. And I know that most people who worked there were actually doing this fancy thing that we call "cooking". Which is a bit more complicated than putting an overcooked and tasteless burger between two slides of tasteless bread.

I'm perfectly willing to admit that some restaurants are crap, that french food is not what it used to be, that Europe is filled by fast food places, but don't fool yourself by thinking that Wendy's, or Burger King or Hardees are serving healthy and tasteful food. They're all crap, and deserve to be terminated (where's the Terminator smiley when you need it?).

[Strike For The South]

Of course there are fast food places in Europe. I'll let you find where they all came from (though there are a few european fast food brands, which are just as bad as others).
Now, most people I know eat there every once in a while, because it's cheap and fast. But even there, or at least in France, you'll see 10 times more people buying handmade sandwhiches with real bread and ham, chicken, tuna and what not than people going to cheap ass fast-food places.

Most people who go to fast foods regularly here are what you call "white trashs" and "scums". They have no taste because they also have no brain. They'll get fat and ugly, and that will be well deserved.

On the other hand, a huge load of peopleeats at fast food places in North America. I had 4 room mates last year in Canada. Except for the chinese one (who kept cooking chinese food) none of them was able to cook a burger, pasta or rice by himself. So, they went to the Taco place (tm), to the Burger place (tm), to the Pizza place (tm). No wonder half of them weighted 3 times more than me even though they're only 25. And it wasn't only my room mates. I met a lot of canadians and americans, and most of them were completely unable to cook. So they all went for some junk food.
Same thing in the US. Streets are filled by fast food places, but decent restaurants? They're few and far inbetween (note that I went only to New-England, things might be different elsewhere in the US, but I doubt it).
Now, I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but the fact that obesity is a huge problem in the US and in Canada might be somehow tied to the fact that there's a fast-food place every five meters, and that people overall eat a bunch of unhealthy crap. Or maybe it's just the climate, or some yet undiscovered disease
(Note that there are more and more obesity issues in Europe too, and most the people who studied the issue pointed at a - fast food places, b - other junk food and c - bad eating habits).
And I also worked in a restaurant. Not a cosy 3 stars restaurant, but a decent one. And I know that most people who worked there were actually doing this fancy thing that we call "cooking". Which is a bit more complicated than putting an overcooked and tasteless burger between two slides of tasteless bread.

I'm perfectly willing to admit that some restaurants are crap, that french food is not what it used to be, that Europe is filled by fast food places, but don't fool yourself by thinking that Wendy's, or Burger King or Hardees are serving healthy and tasteful food. They're all crap, and deserve to be terminated (where's the Terminator smiley when you need it?).

I must say I agree with the frog. None of these places offer healthy choices and TBH there are places that serve much better quailty food just as fast (Freebirds, raising cains which is allot of carbs but they use real ingredients)

Everytime I eat McDs I feel sick the next day and I have unfriendly bowel movements. Go to a sit down place and spend a couple extra bucks.

I'm a grocer and I know what kind of meat these places use. The fact that half of us aren't dead from ecoli is a testament to how good chemical treatring is these days (which is just as bad for you)

[caravel]

I was refering to my home-made burgers using quality mince meat. They are very nice.

I was making a point that not all burgers are actually bad. It is just a food that recieved lots of negative press because of companies like Mc Donalds.

True enough, it's not burgers as such but more so the rubbish disguised as food that is sold in these fast food "restaurants". To be honest though if I had decent beef or mince I wouldn't waste it making into burgers, instead I'd put it to use making a proper meal.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Forget hamburgers, try hackepeter.

[Subotan]

not really, at least not here in the US. the closest we have to that are pizza places, but in israel schwarma joints and pizza places are the fast food. oh, and in israel there is kosher Buger King and Pizza Huts and the like. Bugur King wasnt anything special, but Piza Hut was awesome.

Coool. I'm not particularly sure why that is cool, but it is non the less.

[Vuk]

According to the "Serbian Beef" thread, that time was not too long ago at all... boy, you sure change quickly... So, repeat: Italian prosciutto or do not eat meat at all.

Nah, I obey the food laws, I just do not believe in a Rabbi having to bless it. That is what I am saying to Hooah. He can obey God's law without needing a Rabbi to bless the making of his 1/3 lber.

Of course there are fast food places in Europe. I'll let you find where they all came from (though there are a few european fast food brands, which are just as bad as others).
Now, most people I know eat there every once in a while, because it's cheap and fast. But even there, or at least in France, you'll see 10 times more people buying handmade sandwhiches with real bread and ham, chicken, tuna and what not than people going to cheap ass fast-food places.

Most people who go to fast foods regularly here are what you call "white trashs" and "scums". They have no taste because they also have no brain. They'll get fat and ugly, and that will be well deserved.

On the other hand, a huge load of peopleeats at fast food places in North America. I had 4 room mates last year in Canada. Except for the chinese one (who kept cooking chinese food) none of them was able to cook a burger, pasta or rice by himself. So, they went to the Taco place (tm), to the Burger place (tm), to the Pizza place (tm). No wonder half of them weighted 3 times more than me even though they're only 25. And it wasn't only my room mates. I met a lot of canadians and americans, and most of them were completely unable to cook. So they all went for some junk food.
Same thing in the US. Streets are filled by fast food places, but decent restaurants? They're few and far inbetween (note that I went only to New-England, things might be different elsewhere in the US, but I doubt it).
Now, I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but the fact that obesity is a huge problem in the US and in Canada might be somehow tied to the fact that there's a fast-food place every five meters, and that people overall eat a bunch of unhealthy crap. Or maybe it's just the climate, or some yet undiscovered disease
(Note that there are more and more obesity issues in Europe too, and most the people who studied the issue pointed at a - fast food places, b - other junk food and c - bad eating habits).
And I also worked in a restaurant. Not a cosy 3 stars restaurant, but a decent one. And I know that most people who worked there were actually doing this fancy thing that we call "cooking". Which is a bit more complicated than putting an overcooked and tasteless burger between two slides of tasteless bread.

I'm perfectly willing to admit that some restaurants are crap, that french food is not what it used to be, that Europe is filled by fast food places, but don't fool yourself by thinking that Wendy's, or Burger King or Hardees are serving healthy and tasteful food. They're all crap, and deserve to be terminated (where's the Terminator smiley when you need it?).

Ignoring both your bad language and the fact that French food I had in Europe was gross, fattening crap covered in mayonnaise. No offense, but it is (at least the stuff I saw) extremely fattening, covered in all kinds of garbage, and taste like bile. That said, it is usually served in small portions, which can be a plus for someone who does not have a lifestyle demanding a large intake.

That said, let me tell you that you are wrong about why people are fat. Sure, unhealthy food really contributes to it, but the biggest problem is that people nowadays are a bunch of shiftless, fat, lazy bums. People now adays just do not move. They have everything they need and a heck of a lot more, and they have no need to do anything. They defy authority and the Puritan notion that they should eat healthily and exercise and (oh heavens) get a job! I know lots of people (my 3 brothers for instance) who live off of fast food and are skin, bones, and muscle. My younger brother who does Taekwondo with me is completely ripped and does not have an inch of fat on him, and he eats about 5 burgers a day. You know why? He works...hard. I used to be slim myself too, but when I started going to college and stopped doing honest work I turned into a blimp (and I eat mostly homemade food, just like I used to). You know what the second biggest problem is? Not only do people never move, they eat like pigs. It has less to do with the amount of food that they as it does with how much they eat. I am a fat guy who is struggling with this, so I know what I am talking about. I could go by eating plenty enough to stay healthy and slim, but I always gotta keep eating because I lack the self-control to eat 'just enough'. Every fat person I know either never moves or eats a ton of food. I know people who are both fat and skinny who eat fast food all the time.
And you know what? I agree with you about McDonalds. The more I read about how they make their food and where it comes from, the more disgusted I get. That is why I never eat there.
What you buy at Hardees is still loaded in bad oils and has lots of carbs, but it is real meat, real bread, real tomatoes, real lettuce, etc.
Compared to other fast foods, Hardees is 100 times healthier and more natural. Sure, it is not health food, but so what? It tastes great, is at least as safe as what you buy at a sit down place, and costs a heck of a lot less. Call me white trash again if you want, but I don't care. I like Hardees food, and most people I know who eat there are normal weight or skinny, so it must not be that bad. At least it is not swimming in Mayonnaise!

[Ser Clegane]

the fact that French food I had in Europe was gross, fattening crap covered in mayonnaise.

Now I'm getting curious. What exactly do you mean by "French food in Europe"?

Where in Europe (your remark implies that it was not in France)? And what kind of food exactly?

Just asking because "covered in mayonnaise" does not seem to typically describe any food I have ever eaten (or seen) in France...

[Vuk]

Now I'm getting curious. What exactly do you mean by "French food in Europe"?

Where in Europe (your remark implies that it was not in France)? And what kind of food exactly?

Just asking because "covered in mayonnaise" does not seem to typically describe any food I have ever eaten (or seen) in France...

You are right, I never actually was in France. The food I ate was at a French restaurant in Hungary. I went there with some friends a few times (French friends). They loved the food there, but thought it wasn't as good as what they got in France. I hated it. It all tasted like oily garbage to me. I am not being mean, nor am I really critical of new foods. I liked a lot of foods I ate in Europe, and the Asian food I liked, but there was something about French and some British food that I found to gross. The British stuff was really droll, and the French stuff was sickningly...I don't know, just something gross and overdone.

[Beskar]

France usually has French Dressing, not mayonnaise. Completely different in substance and taste.

Though italian food is everything served with mozella cheese, tomato and bazil.

[Vuk]

France usually has French Dressing, not mayonnaise. Completely different in substance and taste.

Though italian food is everything served with mozella cheese, tomato and bazil.

Mayonnaise, French dressing, what the heck ever. :P I don't know, oily, whitish yellow, gross. :P

Italian food I loved. My favorite was actually a piece of fried chicken with mozzarella cheese and tomato on top. It was totally delicious. Italian food I think was as good as any food I had in Europe.

EDIT: As for what types of food, there was a bread with a gross, oily thing to dip it in, and then some gross thing that looked like potato salad. :P Bad thing about eating French food in Szeged is that the names are in Hungarian and French, but not in English. :P

[Tribesman]

Mayonnaise, French dressing, what the heck ever. :P I don't know, oily, whitish yellow, gross. :P

As for what types of food, there was a bread with a gross, oily thing to dip it in

An expert on food no doubt, not surprising that you seem to think crap from fast food chains is better than real food.
A simple measure , take that "gross oily thing" for bread , examine the health benefits of it and explore why any recipe specifies to only use the finest ingredients. Then comare the crap fat Hardees put on bread which they ridiculously claim is "butter".

Same thing in the US. Streets are filled by fast food places, but decent restaurants? They're few and far inbetween

It isn't a shortage of good restaurants, go to just about any town in the US and it will have the same number of decent food places as a comparable town in Europe, the difference is that there is an absolute glut of fast food establishments over there

[Strike For The South]

blah blah blah blah

Even when I was powerlifiting no one on my team had fast food as a staple make up there diet. I was eating 5,000 calories just to maintain and I still managed to get oats, fruits and veggies in there.

Vuk I think you are confusing being young and having a fast metabolism with not being lazy and that's simply false.

People have different caloreic needs regardless of activity. Some people can eat this stuff and never gain an ounce of anything but most can't and if you're feeding this stuff to children forget about it. That's what's killing us is the kids.

And it really isn't about the calories, it's about the fact this stuff isn't real meat and it's chemically processed (yes even your beloved Hardees) These establishments buy below grade ground chuck. It's disgusting

I'll adimt I eat allot of food and not all the time is it healthy but I have never posted my eating habits and said they were healthy. I eat they way I do to lift heavy arse weight and get big arse muscles, health plays second fiddle but even I hate these places.

[Vuk]

An expert on food no doubt, not surprising that you seem to think crap from fast food chains is better than real food.
A simple measure , take that "gross oily thing" for bread , examine the health benefits of it and explore why any recipe specifies to only use the finest ingredients. Then comare the crap fat Hardees put on bread which they ridiculously claim is "butter".




It isn't a shortage of good restaurants, go to just about any town in the US and it will have the same number of decent food places as a comparable town in Europe, the difference is that there is an absolute glut of fast food establishments over there

Oh yes Tribesy, pardon me for not being an expert on gross, oily French food. No offense, but guarantee you I know a lot more about preparing and cooking Italian food than you. My ma is Italian, and I have been eating Italian food since I was a child. Pardon me though for not knowing everything about every food in the world. I don't have to be able to name it, or know what the heck they made it out of to know that it tasted like garbage and was full of oil. I don't generally do intense research into things that I do not care about...um...it's Tribesman, right?

[Vuk]

Even when I was powerlifiting no one on my team had fast food as a staple make up there diet. I was eating 5,000 calories just to maintain and I still managed to get oats, fruits and veggies in there.

Vuk I think you are confusing being young and having a fast metabolism with not being lazy and that's simply false.

People have different caloreic needs regardless of activity. Some people can eat this stuff and never gain an ounce of anything but most can't and if you're feeding this stuff to children forget about it. That's what's killing us is the kids.

And it really isn't about the calories, it's about the fact this stuff isn't real meat and it's chemically processed (yes even your beloved Hardees) These establishments buy below grade ground chuck. It's disgusting

I'll adimt I eat allot of food and not all the time is it healthy but I have never posted my eating habits and said they were healthy. I eat they way I do to lift heavy arse weight and get big arse muscles, health plays second fiddle but even I hate these places.

I definately see your point, but as I said, it has to do just as much with how much you eat. My brother exerts just as much as I do (he is now going to college with me), but because of his faster metabolism, he is able to eat much more than me and not get fat. It does not mean that fast food is bad. A. You can choose to eat there or not. B. They are not force feeding you, as with any place, you decide how much you can and should eat.
And if you think that the meat they make Hardees burgers with is bad because it is not high quality (why waste high quality meat on a burger? When I butcher an animal, I always save the worst cuts for burgers :P It is still real meat), you should see to garbage they make these easy bake meals in stores out of. Eating out at Hardees is a good alternative to a lot of that garbage.
Personally, I prefer to eat food that I myself cook (made a thread about that once), but not everyone has that time.
And Strike, how good do you think the quality of meat that they make burgers at sit down places is? You are fooling yourself if you think it is much better. It is total garbage. That is why I used to butcher my own animals, it is the only way to get truely good meat for a decent price.

[AlexanderSextus]

Italian prosciutto

*drooling*

[Strike For The South]

I definately see your point, but as I said, it has to do just as much with how much you eat. My brother exerts just as much as I do (he is now going to college with me), but because of his faster metabolism, he is able to eat much more than me and not get fat. It does not mean that fast food is bad. A. You can choose to eat there or not. B. They are not force feeding you, as with any place, you decide how much you can and should eat.
And if you think that the meat they make Hardees burgers with is bad because it is not high quality (why waste high quality meat on a burger? When I butcher an animal, I always save the shitty cuts for burgers :P It is still real meat), you should see to garbage they make these easy bake meals in stores out of. Eating out at Hardees is a good alternative to a lot of that garbage.
Personally, I prefer to eat food that I myself cook (made a thread about that once), but not everyone has that time.
And Strike, how good do you think the quality of meat that they make burgers at sit down places is? You are fooling yourself if you think it is much better. It is total garbage. That is why I used to butcher my own animals, it is the only way to get truely good meat for a decent price.

The food still releases harmful chemicals in your body and clogs vessels there are plenty of alternatives that are better in taste. Not to mention Ecoli.

Burger is usually chuck which is far from being a bad cut. People use chuck because the fat/lean content is just right thereby giving it good flavor. For someone who butchers his own cow you should know that. Not to mention when people say bad cut they are usually referring to the toughness of the meat.

FTR I don't order burgers at sit down places and they are still better than any fast food joint.

You don't have time to cook yet you have time to skin de-bone and butcher a cow? You must freeze allot of meat. What do you do with the hides? The organs?

And unless you were with that cow from birth you don't know what it was injected with or fed. So butchering it yourself is useless.

[Tribesman]

Oh yes Tribesy, pardon me for not being an expert on gross, oily French food..

It would help if you knew anything about French food before you chose to talk about it , you have demonstrated that you know bugger all about French food or any decent food really.

No offense, but guarantee you I know a lot more about preparing and cooking Italian food than you

Then you would know what the oily thing for bread is then , as it is Italian cuisine too. it is also Iberian, north African, Balkan and middle eastern.

My ma is Italian, and I have been eating Italian food since I was a child.

Perhaps you had better ask you ma then, or go into any decent Italian restaurant and ask them for that oily thing you dip bread in

I don't generally do intense research into things that I do not care about...um...it's Tribesman, right?

You don't need intense research , all you need is the sense to not talk nonsense.
Nonsense like a topic that crap A is better than crap B which are both better than real food, or that buying crap at a discount really is a smart choice.

That is why I used to butcher my own animals, it is the only way to get truely good meat for a decent price.

OMG this isn't the same Vuk who kept chickens and ate the old worn out hens that most people would only throw to a dog?

For someone who butchers his own cow you should know that.

Strike , by animals he means old worn out poultry.

[Ser Clegane]

While this did not go into politics and sexuality it certainly seems to go down the gutter.

When one of the most popular terms in a thread on food turns out to be "crap" and things start to get a tad too personal you know thatb this thread is begging to be closed.

And I am happy to oblige.