Conservation of Angular Momentum

[drone]

Thank you, I am up for discussion. NOT debate.

What's the difference?

Also as a side note, both the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics are destroyed in our Universe. The first saying that "Matter cannot be made nor destroyed" and the second saying "Everything goes from order to disorder." Thus, makes me question Evolution and the Big Bang Theory.

Under these examples, using Science and Laws that can be observed and proven right now, the Big Bang Theory is an impossible answer to the creation of the Universe.

In this forum, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

I don't believe the conservation of angular momentum applies, because the singularity was not spinning homogeneously, it was more just a highly dense mass at high temperature and pressure. Moons spinning in the "wrong" direction can be explained by the fact that moons are created by collisions of debris, thus they have already hit resistance and can spin any way they like.

And get the laws right. The first law is:

The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings.

Einstein's E=mc^2 shows the relationship between energy and matter. Nuclear reactions destroy matter and turn it into energy, not sure where you got your text for law 1.

And the Big Bang is just a theory, being refined and tweaked as scientific observations and progressions are made. Not some book written/edited/translated by fallible humans with different agendas and points of view and now can no longer be questioned.


Either way, I foresee thread lockage before 60 posts.

[Zain]

What's the difference?


In this forum, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

I don't believe the conservation of angular momentum applies, because the singularity was not spinning homogeneously, it was more just a highly dense mass at high temperature and pressure. Moons spinning in the "wrong" direction can be explained by the fact that moons are created by collisions of debris, thus they have already hit resistance and can spin any way they like.

And get the laws right. The first law is:

The increase in the internal energy of a system is equal to the amount of energy added by heating the system, minus the amount lost as a result of the work done by the system on its surroundings.

Einstein's E=mc^2 shows the relationship between energy and matter. Nuclear reactions destroy matter and turn it into energy, not sure where you got your text for law 1.

And the Big Bang is just a theory, being refined and tweaked as scientific observations and progressions are made. Not some book written/edited/translated by fallible humans with different agendas and points of view and now can no longer be questioned.


Either way, I foresee thread lockage before 60 posts.

I see you have read up on these things. What about the 2nd law of thermodynamics having to do with order to disorder?

I hope to keep this thread scientific. I don't want to attack or be attacked, nor do I want to convert or be converted. I want to learn in all respect.

[gaelic cowboy]

I see you have read up on these things. What about the 2nd law of thermodynamics having to do with order to disorder?

I hope to keep this thread scientific. I don't want to attack or be attacked, nor do I want to convert or be converted. I want to learn in all respect.

Well to be honest the second law is correct if our universe is isolated, however we cannot be certain of that but it does not give you the right to claim god is real if our universe is not isolated.

[Zain]

Well to be honest the second law is correct if our universe is isolated, however we cannot be certain of that but it does not give you the right to claim god is real if our universe is not isolated.

I have the right to say God is real because the Universe exists.

Thats the bottom line for me. I see Earth and say miracle.

[Kadagar_AV]

I have the right to say God is real because the Universe exists.

Thats the bottom line for me. I see Earth and say miracle.

I have the right to say pink elephants is real because the Universe exists.

Thats the bottom line for me. I see Earth and say miracle.

[drone]

I see you have read up on these things. What about the 2nd law of thermodynamics having to do with order to disorder?

Second law:

The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system always increases over time, approaching a maximum value.

I didn't address this, because I fail to see how it comes into the argument. If the Universe as a whole is an isolated thermodynamic system, we are headed eventually towards heat death. It's going to take a long time though.

But belief in itself is a must in science, because Big Bang and Evolution must be believed in. They say nothing came out of nowhere and exploded, it rained on Earth for billions of years and somehow the rock came to life. You have to have faith in that theory because you werent there to know it happened without a shadow of a doubt.

"Belief" should never be in science. Everything should be questioned until proven, and even then taken with a grain of salt. The Big Bang and Evolution do not have to be believed in in science. These are theories put forth, to be reviewed and poked at. For the most part, they hold up to a degree, but there are still problems. The number of theories submitted and then found to be junk are countless. Mankind has a long way to go before understanding how this world, or the universe as a whole, operates. Science is about expanding knowledge, not restricting it to 39+27 chapters in some book put together by a committee.


I see Tribesman has now posted, so 60 posts may be generous.

[gaelic cowboy]

I see Tribesman has now posted, so 60 posts may be generous.

[Centurion1]

i really dont even feel like posting in here after tribesmen has feels like wasted time........

And this topic had potential.....

Well who said the universe before the big bang WASNT ordered. Very possible it was very ordered and then the radius of the "blast" knocked everything silly. They say before the big bang the universe was a much closer tighter knit thing. so in my mind the second law could very well be fulfilled. All this is hypothetical and based on some assumptions.

[Zain]

i really dont even feel like posting in here after tribesmen has feels like wasted time........

And this topic had potential.....

Well who said the universe before the big bang WASNT ordered. Very possible it was very ordered and then the radius of the "blast" knocked everything silly. They say before the big bang the universe was a much closer tighter knit thing. so in my mind the second law could very well be fulfilled. All this is hypothetical and based on some assumptions.

I suppose all of mine has been based on my own assumptions as well. It seems if what you say is true, we went from order to disorder and then are going back to order according to Evolution.

[gaelic cowboy]

Zeroth Law If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

First Law The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to or removed from the system and the work done on or by the system.

Second Law The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system always increases over time, approaching a maximum value.

Third Law As a system asymptotically approaches absolute zero of temperature all processes virtually cease and the entropy of the system asymptotically approaches a minimum value; also stated as: "the entropy of all systems and of all states of a system is zero at absolute zero" or equivalently "it is impossible to reach the absolute zero of temperature by any finite number of processes".

Brownian motion first proof of Atoms

299,792,458 m/s speed of light

Facts


Belief God created man

Life did not come from nothing the very fact we have a universe to exist in gave evolution a vast amount of time to evolve a being that could live in said universe.

By the way evolution is not a consious thing like a god its a process.

Proved by the mistakes evolution makes along the way otherwise no animal would ever go extinct and no part of us we evolve would ever be faulty if a designer made us.

Go check out whale and giraffe biology you can see the many problems and vestigial elements both of these mammals have.

[Zain]

Zeroth Law If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

First Law The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to or removed from the system and the work done on or by the system.

Second Law The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system always increases over time, approaching a maximum value.

Third Law As a system asymptotically approaches absolute zero of temperature all processes virtually cease and the entropy of the system asymptotically approaches a minimum value; also stated as: "the entropy of all systems and of all states of a system is zero at absolute zero" or equivalently "it is impossible to reach the absolute zero of temperature by any finite number of processes".

Brownian motion first proof of Atoms

299,792,458 m/s speed of light

Facts


Belief God created man

Life did not come from nothing the very fact we have a universe to exist in gave evolution a vast amount of time to evolve a being that could live in said universe.

By the way evolution is not a consious thing like a god its a process.

Proved by the mistakes evolution makes along the way otherwise no animal would ever go extinct and no part of us we evolve would ever be faulty if a designer made us.

Go check out whale and giraffe biology you can see the many problems and vestigial elements both of these mammals have.

Are you a believer? If you are, then believing in Evolution is a contradiction because death before sin by Adam never happened.

If you're not, then I respect your opinion. Although if a designer made a perfect being there would be no need for faith because we would be our own God. We wouldn't need him if we were perfect.

[gaelic cowboy]

Are you a believer? If you are, then believing in Evolution is a contradiction because death before sin by Adam never happened.

If you're not, then I respect your opinion. Although if a designer made a perfect being there would be no need for faith because we would be our own God. We wouldn't need him if we were perfect.

I have read the entire bible several times and there is no mention that evolution is wrong in it ever. There is no mention that to believe in evolution will dam me to hell.

The bible states nowhere that it requires you to believe god created the universe it only states you must believe in god and not to believe in other gods like Thor or Bhaal.

[Tribesman]

tribes that "article" is not in accepted scientific format. h obviously wrote it himself. as drone has pointed out there are mistakes in the post.

That could be said of just about any "scientific" paper published by hovinds or many 'creation scientists.'

[Zain]

Second law:

The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system always increases over time, approaching a maximum value.

I didn't address this, because I fail to see how it comes into the argument. If the Universe as a whole is an isolated thermodynamic system, we are headed eventually towards heat death. It's going to take a long time though.


"Belief" should never be in science. Everything should be questioned until proven, and even then taken with a grain of salt. The Big Bang and Evolution do not have to be believed in in science. These are theories put forth, to be reviewed and poked at. For the most part, they hold up to a degree, but there are still problems. The number of theories submitted and then found to be junk are countless. Mankind has a long way to go before understanding how this world, or the universe as a whole, operates. Science is about expanding knowledge, not restricting it to 39+27 chapters in some book put together by a committee.


I see Tribesman has now posted, so 60 posts may be generous.

Entropy - (on a macroscopic scale) a function of thermodynamic variables, as temperature, pressure, or composition, that is a measure of the energy that is not available for work during a thermodynamic process. A closed system evolves toward a state of maximum entropy.

Thus, we are headings towards death. I agree. But how does increased entropy create life?

Also, you must believe in something to care to argue about it. Plus Something from Nothing seems very religious to me.

[drone]

Entropy - (on a macroscopic scale) a function of thermodynamic variables, as temperature, pressure, or composition, that is a measure of the energy that is not available for work during a thermodynamic process. A closed system evolves toward a state of maximum entropy.

Thus, we are headings towards death. I agree. But how does increased entropy create life?

Also, you must believe in something to care to argue about it. Plus Something from Nothing seems very religious to me.

Entropy does not create life from nothing, I don't believe the theory of Evolution ever tried to state that. In most life creation theories, life begins as chemical reactions. Various elements and molecules interact, given enough variety they form proteins, etc, and eventually single-celled replicating organisms.

[Zain]

Entropy does not create life from nothing, I don't believe the theory of Evolution ever tried to state that. In most life creation theories, life begins as chemical reactions. Various elements and molecules interact, given enough variety they form proteins, etc, and eventually single-celled replicating organisms.

And where did those gases come from drone?