Conservation of Angular Momentum

**Zain** · 10-15-2009, 00:07

Originally Posted by Meneldil

I do not believe in anything and try to question everything, as far as my limited mind allows me to.

I certainly do not believe that there's no evidence that Earth is older than ~4300 (as I think that's what you said).
But then, if you reject things such as Radiocarbon dating, there's no much point discussing, right?

Here's the difference between you and I:
- Your beliefs are based on the litteral interpretation of a book written centuries ago, translated in hundreds of languages. They are set in the stone, and no matter how many people prove you wrong, how many evidences are thrown at you, you will never ever admit to be wrong.
Because your whole life and identity is based on your - very own and apparently not really knowledgeable - interpretation of the Bible. Admitting that it might be wrong would shatter everything you've ever thought. That's why you create your own little world, refuse to see facts, and keep claiming that you know, because you believe. This is also why you claimed the Founding Fathers were a bunch of christian believers who created a christian theocracy: because it supports your beliefs. The others are wrong, because they're betraying the Founding Fathers/not reading the Bible. I'm right, because I believe, because I know.

- My "beliefs" are based on the knowledge made available to the human kind, through all kind of sciences. I accept the theory of evolution because so far, it's the most conclusive scientific explanation. If someone discovers a new theory, or proves that the theory of evolution is in fact wrong, I'll be willing to re-evaluate my "beliefs" according to the new informations available. Sure, it would be quite an important event, but all my life isn't based around the theory of evolution like yours is based around the Bible. My whole world won't be shattered by such a discovery.
My identity doesn't require me to believe in evolution, big bang or anything else. I accept those theories because so far, we haven't found anything else to explain things. I honestly thinks the whole Big Bang idea seems a bit too much "human" (by implying that there's a beginning) for my tastes, but it's the only explanation we have at the moment, and as such, it will be true until proven wrong.

This is where I have to say Wow. I can't believe in a creator. But you can believe in Man. Sounds fair...

**Aemilius Paulus** · 10-15-2009, 00:17

Originally Posted by Zain

I can't believe in a creator. But you can believe in Man. Sounds fair...

See, that is my main problem with arguments creationists make. They are always snatching things out of context and making such silly comparisons for obvious purposes. Rarely will you see a creationist pull together a halfway-decent attempt at justifying their position with (mock) science. But at least they are trying to use science

**Zain** · 10-15-2009, 00:19

Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

See, that is my main problem with arguments creationists make. They are always snatching things out of context and making such silly comparisons for obvious purposes. Rarely will you see a creatinst pull together a halfway-decent attempt at justifying their position with (mock) science. But at least theya re trying to use science

How was my first original post not science?

I was simply making a point with that last post. Saying my God is false because somebody says so isn't fair to me.

**Meneldil** · 10-15-2009, 06:52

Originally Posted by Zain

This is where I have to say Wow. I can't believe in a creator. But you can believe in Man. Sounds fair...

To use your incredibly weird argument:

"Can you see, smell, touch or feel the creator?". I cannot. Not only I can't see him, smell him or touch him, but I can't feel him either. No warm fuzzy feeling inside my chest (as it happens with love), no tear to my eyes, no pain in my neck. No nothing.
Yet, I see man everyday. I see science at work everyday.

Do you believe in internet? Does it contradict your beliefs about religion? Because according to me, internet is pretty much (the result of) science. If you think science requires to believe, and that those beliefs aren't compatible with a belief in god or some religion, then, what are you doing here enjoying your high speed connection, your fridge, your TV, your car and what not? These didn't pop out of nowhere. These haven't been created by god. They've been created by man, whether you like it or not.

I'm not even saying you can't believe in a creator. There are many believers on this forum whom I respect. I have no issues with their beliefs. I find these beliefs weird, out-of-touch with reality, but I can also understand how believing in something is important for some human beings. Now, basing your whole life around a book and blind faith is a completely different story.

How was my first original post not science?

Because you got it all wrong. No offense, but your knowledge about science in general seems quite similar to your knowledge about american history and the Bible: quite poor.