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    Master of Few Words Senior Member KukriKhan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    Questions on Christianity
    What is it ?
    A belief that

    1. we are all born defective (bad) due to an inherited mistake made by the very first man, who dared to will some action that made him (and us) knowledgeable of good and evil. and

    2. the way to make up for that original horrible mistake is totally beyond our ability as individual humans, so

    3. some other, better guy, born not as a result of (nasty) sex, but some other invisible power, had to live 30-some years, then die a torturous death in a Roman outpost, in order to satisfy the Maker of Everything, and good and evil, that the debt incurred by First Man was paid, and therefore every human born subsequent to that payment got a free ride to something called "salvation", wherein humans still somehow exist after they stop breathing and live in a nice place. Forever. But:

    4. thrown into the salvation mix is: how humans behave while they are still breathing, despite the pre-payment/sacrifice/death of that "better guy". If a human lies, cheats, steals, diss's the maker of everything, or Mom or Pop, or has sex outside of marriage, or doesn't believe 1, 2, & 3, he/she is gonna go (when he/she stops breathing) to a very bad place. Forever.

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    Does it come in different flavours?
    Can it be bought and sold?
    What does it taste like?
    Difficult questions that have puzzled generations of humans.

    But there are simpler questions.
    Like for example
    How can someone who doesn't know christian scripture, who also doesn't know the origins of the scripture they don't know, claim to be a Christian and be basing their beliefs on their knowledge and understanding of a book they clearly don't know or understand?
    Given the requirements of belief above, is it any wonder that humans pick and choose 'wise words', pay attention to or ignore 'wise guys', comply or not comply with various rules of behavior, truly deeply believe or just go along with the majority?

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    Full Disclosure: I am not a Christian, though I was ostensibly raised/educated as one. The above is my impression of what Christianity "is" from the point-of-view of an outsider.
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    Dragonslayer Emeritus Senior Member Sigurd's Avatar
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    It is well known that believers use a different world view than the unbelievers.
    What the believers consider fact or knowledge is based on completely different parameters than say mainstream science.
    Usually this involves feelings or other "spiritual" testimonies that encapsulates this esoteric knowledge involving a greater being with creating power.

    Having this in mind it becomes useless to engage in a discussion where the unbelief debater holds a Scientific world view and the belief debater holds a Christian world view.

    There are many people who manages to use these world views interchangeably. They live with two world views and seemingly manages to keep them apart ... or maybe not. This is a paradox.
    On one hand you can't use scientific argumentation to "prove" or disprove religion, but on the other hand, there are a great many religious scientists.
    They use the scientific philosophy in their work, but on Sundays, they worship the creator of all.

    Deep inside they must justify everything to God - every new scientific discovery originates with God -
    and if I could quote a specific Congolese defense lawyer: Pardon my French - they are truly living a schizophrenic life.

    Since we are on the subject of Christianity - we can't omit the Bible. The OP asks why someone who doesn't really know their Bible (in an unbiblical way) and/or doesn't know the origins of the Bible - still believes in their particular brand of Christianity.
    There are too many people in the world who base their lives on tradition. They inherit their way of life from parents who inherited it from their parents back to the convert ancestor, who made a conscious decision to join an organization based outwardly on the good word of a Saviour, but truly on maybe something more sinister like exploiting.
    There are around 35 000 brands or organisations based outwardly on the good word found in a book which enlightened people realize have no original manuscript and has been tampered with since the day it was first written.
    The majority of the members of those 35 000 denominations perhaps do not know this, but there are those who do and still follow its teachings.

    I have tried to understand this, but fail to do so. There must be something else besides this Great Christian paradox - which is the foundation on which these denominations build their church, their priesthood and gospel - that creates this unshaken faith on a Jesus that will save them from the grave.
    Maybe it is the human unwillingness to submit to oblivion upon death that feeds this need to believe in the hereafter.
    IMO - without religion, there would be a great many depressed souls in this world.
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    I believe in trolls. I have evidence.

    "If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
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