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    Default Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    I think the leader of the Carthage's reform is Hannibal,and he reformed his army by rearmed them with the weapon that they took from Roman army,and adopted roman formation.Because this reform happened during the 2nd Punic War,so the effect should be Carthage could recruit some "Hannibal's roman legion" in Taras,Rhegion and Capua,not in Africa,because Hannibal didn't get too much supplies from Africa.
    I don't know whether it's right.

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    Default Re: Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    You should know the romans adopted their formation from the samnites, and their equipment was celtic, both cultures fought with hannibal. Many punic units are equipped with celtic armour after the reforms


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    Default Re: Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    I think it's after that reform that the gauls' equipments were upgraded to roman equipent to standardize the equipments.

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    Default Re: Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    I dont understand what youre saying....

    Rome used to follow the traditional greek mode of hoplite warfare.

    When Rome strolled along samnite territory they realized that the samnites formation was better and they adopted it. This is the maniple formation.

    When rome got wtfpwned by the celts they realized their equipment was inferior and adopted celtic chain and shields.

    So technically, "Roman equipment" is actually celtic equipment.

    Carthies were also following closely on the hellenic model whilst theyre auxilary/mercenary/wutever fought in their native gear.

    During hannibals invasion many punny and libyan soldiers ditched their armour and weapons in favour of Romano/Celtic Equipment which is what the reform represents.

    And a scripted reform will not decide the formation you use.


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    Default Re: Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    Thanks a lot,this is the first time I know that I know Roman formation comes from the samnites .
    But I have 2 questions:
    1.Gladius came from Iberians,isn't it?
    2.The punic reform is mainly about the celts in hannibal's army in the beginning,because when they joined hannibal's army,they had all kinds of equipments,and that isn't good for commanding(Maybe thst's also the reason why Marian reformed the roman army,and abolished the three lines).So Hannibal chose to rearm them with roman equipmet that they took by defeating romans.And after he crossed the Alps ,the percentage of Iberians and libyans(and punnies didn't like to be soliders,there were very little punnies in the army,just enough to take the officers' positions) lowered all the time,and when he left Italy,I think the majority of his amy is Celts and Bruttians.And during the 2nd punic war,he got too little supplies from home,so Africa is quite less involved in this reform.But in the game Africa is mainly involved in this reform.

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    Default Re: Question:I don't think the Carthage's reform is described quite well.

    It was mainly Libyans that reformed, the rest stayed as they were.

    The gladius came from the Celtiberi, a celtic tribe living in iberia, most iberians used the Falcata.


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