Another Next Total War Poll

[Fisherking]

There is another new poll at the official site on the next total war.

http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/64192

[Owen Glyndwr]

Where is the Europe: 1400-1700 option?!? I've been asking for this since R: TW!

[Fisherking]

Post and ask!

It can't hurt. I sure don't want RIITW yet!

[Beskar]

I would like an Asian: Total War with China and Japan with mini-campaigns such as the Sengoku Period and others. India could be in it too.

However, The Great: Total War has a ring to it.

Where is the Europe: 1400-1700 option?!? I've been asking for this since R: TW!

Nothing really happened, outside of Kingdom's and Empire.

[Zenicetus]

Asia Total War sounds intriguing, but it's too undefined. What time period? What part of Asia?

It's too early for another Rome, but I'd love to see a two-part project starting with the expansion of the Greek city states, with Rome as a later full game or expansion. The naval battles could be spectacular (if they finally get sailing right). So Greek Total War was my first choice, without knowing more about what the Asia thing is about.

I can't believe WWI is on the list. Leaving aside the discussion of how exciting trench warfare would or wouldn't be, I don't see how the current tactical battle engine could cope with it. The battlefields aren't large enough to represent long-range artillery or air support. And even though aerial dogfights in WWI were something of a sideshow, I don't see how they could add air combat as a strategic or tactical element in the current game engine. Without aerial dogfights, it really isn't a WWI game.

[Nelson]

It's time for Shogun2 to return us to Japan during the Segoku Jidai and the wars in Korea. Including the 12th century period would be good too.

Banzai!

[Discoman]

I really agree that they should make an Asia: Total War.

Not so sure if a WW1 game would even get close to the appropriate scale. Why is there now an option for an 19th century Total War? Would it really be any different from Empire for like half the game?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

If I registered for the boards (not likely!) I'd vote for WWI. Take CA out of their comfort zone, make them do something really interesting. Much more of a gamble, but does anyone want them to make Shogun 2 the same way they made Med 2?

[Owen Glyndwr]

Nothing really happened, outside of Kingdom's and Empire.

I don't really understand what this is supposed to mean.

[Freedom Onanist]

From a post of mine on another forum.

There seem to be no end of wars in the 19th cent to choose from alongside the obvious ones (ACW), which have been done over and over again.

Oh, and this is by no means a full list.


1810s

* South American revolutions

1820s

* 1820: Liberia founded by the American Colonization Society for freed American slaves.
* 1821-27: Greece becomes the first country to break away from the Ottoman Empire after the Greek War of Independence.
* 1823-87: The British Empire annexed Burma (now called Myanmar) after three Anglo-Burmese Wars.
* 1826-28: After the final Russo-Persian War, the Persian Empire took back territory lost to Russia from the previous war.
* 1825-28: The Argentina-Brazil War results in the independence of Uruguay.
* Portuguese Civil War, 1828-1834

1830s

* 1830: France invades and occupies Algeria.
* 1830: The Belgian Revolution in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
* 1830: Greater Colombia dissolved and the nations of Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, and Panama took its place.
* Polish Rebellion 1830-1831
* 1833: Slavery Abolition Act bans slavery throughout the British Empire.
* 1833-76: Carlist Wars in Spain.
* 1835-36: The Texas Revolution in Mexico resulted in the short-lived Republic of Texas.
* 1837-1901: Queen Victoria's reign is considered the apex of the British Empire and is referred to as the Victorian era.
o Many, many, many military campaigns. Read any of the Flashman books for British Military entaglements in this period. Very funny and well informed, I'd recommend them to anyone who has an inflated view of "military glory".
o First Anglo-Afghan War 1838-1842
o (First) Opium War 1839-1842
o First Anglo-Sikh War Punjab 1845-1846
o 2nd Anglo-Sikh WarPunjab 1848-1849
o 2nd Anglo-Burmese War 1852
o Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-1880
o Third Anglo-Burmese War 1885
o Etc...
* 1838-40: Civil war in the Federal Republic of Central America led to the foundings of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica.
* 1839-51: Uruguayan Civil War
* 1839-60: After two Opium Wars, France, the United Kingdom, the United States and Russia gained many concessions from ChinaQing Dynasty. resulting in the decline of the

1840s

* 1840: New Zealand is founded, as the Treaty of Waitangi is signed by the Maori and British.
* 1846-48: The Mexican-American War leads to Mexico's cession of much of the modern-day Southwestern United States.
* E : Matiner's War 1846-1849
* 1848: The Communist Manifesto published.
* 1848: Revolutions of 1848 in Europe

1850s

* 1851-64: The Taiping Rebellion in China is the bloodiest conflict of the century.
* 1854-56: Crimean War between France, the United Kingdom, the Ottoman Empire and Russia
* 1857-58: Indian Mutiny of 1857
* Franco-Austrian War 1859 (leads to the creation of the Red Cross due to the large number of casualties and lack of care)
* Spanish-Moroccan War, 1859-1860

1860s

* Garibaldi's Expedition against Sicily 1860/1861
* 1861-65: American Civil War between the Union and seceding Confederacy
* 1861-67: French intervention in Mexico
* Polish Rebellion 1863-1864
* German-Danish War 1864
* 1864-66: The Chincha Islands War was an attempt by Spain to regain its South American colonies.
* 1864-70: The War of the Triple Alliance ends Paraguayan ambitions for expansion and destroys much of the Paraguayan population.
* Guano War 1865-1866 Spain - Peru, Chile
* 1866: Austro-Prussian War results in the dissolution of the German Confederation and the creation of the North German ConfederationAustrian-Hungarian Dual Monarchy. and the

1870s

* 1870-71: The Franco-Prussian War
* 1877-78: The Balkans are freed from the Ottoman Empire after another Russo-Turkish War in the Treaty of Berlin.
* 1879: Anglo-Zulu War in South Africa.
* 1879-84: War of the Pacific between Peru, Bolivia and Chile.
* Pacific War 1879-1884 Chile - Peru, Bolivia

1880s

* 1880-1881: the First Boer War.
* 1884-85: The Berlin Conference signals the start of the European "scramble for Africa". Attending nations also agree to ban trade in slaves.
* 1884-85: The Sino-French War led to the formation of French Indochina.
* 1886: Russian-Circassian War ended with the defeat and the exile of many Circassians. Imam Shamil defeated.

1890s

* 1890: The Wounded Knee Massacre was the last battle in the American Indian Wars. This event represents the end of the American Old West.
* 1894-95: After the First Sino-Japanese War, China cedes Taiwan to Japan and grants Japan a free hand in Korea.
* 1895-1896: Ethiopia defeats Italy in the First Italo–Ethiopian War.
* 1898: The United States gains control of Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines after the Spanish-American War.
* 1898-1900: The Boxer Rebellion in China is suppressed by an Eight-Nation Alliance.
* 1898-1902: The One Thousand Days war in Colombia breaks out between the "Liberales" and "Conservadores," culminating with the loss of Panama in 1903.
* 1899: Second Boer War
* Philippine-American War 1913 begins

19th century Total War - ad nauseam

[Braden]

See!

Civil War: Total War now looks like a nice large game with multiple campaigns to choose from!

“which have been done over and over again” – With different game systems and engines. To many of us the Total War format is the best style for these types of games and admittedly CA have that pretty much sewn up.

Besides, I’m not playing any of them and I want a Total War version. (takes bat and ball and walks off home)

[Freedom Onanist]

See!

Civil War: Total War now looks like a nice large game with multiple campaigns to choose from!

“which have been done over and over again” – With different game systems and engines. To many of us the Total War format is the best style for these types of games and admittedly CA have that pretty much sewn up.

Besides, I’m not playing any of them and I want a Total War version. (takes bat and ball and walks off home)

Civl War : Total War? Whose civil war? I know whose you mean, but it is only one of many conflicts. It doesn't deserve a TW all to itself or even the accolade of being the headline act of the next TW game. A campaign within it, no doubt, but it is too restricted, too parochial to be the centre-piece of a TW game.

[Braden]

Civl War : Total War? Whose civil war? I know whose you mean, but it is only one of many conflicts. It doesn't deserve a TW all to itself or even the accolade of being the headline act of the next TW game. A campaign within it, no doubt, but it is too restricted, too parochial to be the centre-piece of a TW game.

Well as originally stated mainly American and English Civil Wars…I agree though only really suitable for an Expansion and not a full game unless you add more campaigns to it and the potential to expand play to a more Global (for American) and European (for English) campaign after completion of the main objectives of each.

Example: In the American CW campaign you complete the game as the South, beat the North and unify North America. Next turn Global Economic and Social Map opens up (similar to ETW’s trade map) where the “New America” can interact directly with South American, European and perhaps even Pacific and Asian theatres.

Similar on the English campaign after “winning” Europe opens up for you…take Cromwell’s New Model Army into France or Spain!

EDIT - Actually it doesn’t matter that much. Its my personal flight of fancy and I hope a Mod Community is listening for that…

Don’t want to detract too much from the fact we want Asia: Total War!

[Freedom Onanist]

Well as originally stated mainly American and English Civil Wars…I agree though only really suitable for an Expansion and not a full game unless you add more campaigns to it and the potential to expand play to a more Global (for American) and European (for English) campaign after completion of the main objectives of each.

Example: In the American CW campaign you complete the game as the South, beat the North and unify North America. Next turn Global Economic and Social Map opens up (similar to ETW’s trade map) where the “New America” can interact directly with South American, European and perhaps even Pacific and Asian theatres.

Similar on the English campaign after “winning” Europe opens up for you…take Cromwell’s New Model Army into France or Spain!

EDIT - Actually it doesn’t matter that much. Its my personal flight of fancy and I hope a Mod Community is listening for that…

Agreed, they would be great campaigns or expansions. I believe the Mod community has already come up with an ACW mod?

Don’t want to detract too much from the fact we want Asia: Total War!

Disagreed. Sorry, but to me an Asian setting all too often means a fantasy one. I mean by that the distorted, romanticised, ingorant view we Westerners have of Asia. Unfortunately the TW series has proven fromt he very firs all too easily susceptibel to the more "fantasy" units. Anyone remember that maniac with an oversized katana able to take on units all by himself in Shogun? If you'll pardon my French, absolute ! That kind of infantile, puerile thing is just way too easy for TW under the guidance of Sega to repeat if they go for an Asian setting. Might as well go for Middle Earth Total War. No doubt in their search for ever greater markets something like this is on the cards - along with a move to console.


No interest whatsoever in it.

[Braden]

Well IF that was the way it took then we’d all be upset.

Yeah, remember Shoguns silly/fantasy units as well but as long as they’re exceptions rather than the normal. Asia would have scope for some truly epic battles and continental scale conflicts…for starters you have the Kingdoms period and the Korean War.

IF done well it’ll be good but you’re looking at the negative here and you could say the same for ANY title/subject selection for CA/SEGA to publish. If you go there immediately then you leave yourself with no options do you?

[Seyavash]

Civl War : Total War? Whose civil war? I know whose you mean, but it is only one of many conflicts. It doesn't deserve a TW all to itself or even the accolade of being the headline act of the next TW game. A campaign within it, no doubt, but it is too restricted, too parochial to be the centre-piece of a TW game.

Shogun and NTW are rather restricted as well so there is precedent for it. That being said it doesn't interest me much.

Personally I still hope for an Asia total war the encompasses as much of the continent as possible. Sure you can do just Japan or China, but there is so much else that could be included that is not addressed well anywhere else.

However, one idea I haven't seen here is to go back further in time. Helenistic Greece is nice, but how about Assyria, the Hurrians, Hittites, Babylonia, a properly done Egypt etc?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I actually would like to see a TW game from the start of 16th century(New World;exploration;religious wars) to the end of 17th century.

But.. most likely this kind of game will never come. Swiss government will probably say NO.