Another Next Total War Poll

[Khorak]

Well, I guess we need to face it.

Once upon a time hard-core gamers were a force in the market. They bought the high-end machines and the games that ran on them.

There were a lot of studios but they all gradually dwindled. They were bought out, went under, or taken over.

Today it is the mass market and casual gamers that seem to rule the roost.

The time, effort, and heart are not going into these games. It is no longer the feel of the game but the dazzle of the graphics that matter.

Realism is just something for 3D shooters and Historical Accuracy only applies to the lines of Airplanes.

Most only have enough grasp of history and geography to know that Rome was a long time ago and Europe isn’t a province of Canada.

So, just expect Rome II and when they are up to it WWII...

*checks watch*
Wow, I didn't know it was time for condemnations of the supposed 'casual gamer' already. Ah, the good old days, where there were thousands of studios all working selflessly with no thought of making massive piles of money out of gamers who were pure hearted and true.

Oh no wait, that's so wrong I can actually hear the universe screaming out a big no in response. Mass market has always ruled the roost, and just because the market itself is now so large you can pretend you're a unique and special 'hardcore' snowflake doesn't suddenly make casual gamers a new phenomenon. It's so-called 'casual gamers' who've been dragging your backside along with them since the NES in the mid eighties, not the other way around.

[Fisherking]

*checks watch*
Wow, I didn't know it was time for ignorant, dire condemnations of the supposed 'casual gamer' already. Ah, the good old days, where there were thousands of studios all working selflessly with no thought of making massive piles of money out of gamers who were pure hearted and true.

Oh no wait, that's so wrong I can actually hear the universe screaming out a big no in response. What a load of utter elitist tosh. Mass market has always ruled the roost, and just because the market itself is now so large you can pretend you're a unique and special 'hardcore' snowflake doesn't suddenly make casual gamers a new phenomenon. It's so-called 'casual gamers' who've been dragging your backside along with them since the NES in the mid eighties, not the other way around.

Most studios started as gamers building things they wanted to play and yes making money from it but it lacked something it has now Khorak old boy.

A corporate mind set. Those old studios made some money and sold out or went on to something different. But what their motive was in building those was much different.

It wasn’t about bean counters and release dates. No rush for Christmas or some media hype.


But....

In your ignorance and hast to criticize you missed the point. It was a let down for those wanting what was before.

The people voting don’t want Shogun II because they never even saw the box art.

A game focused on history would feel too much like school, or someone trying to penetrate a thick head.

So the games are graphic and light with a minimum of thought needed at each end...which is where you came in.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Fisherking, you are probably romanticizing the past a bit too much. Not only that, but even in it's borked state ETW is far from a casual game. A truly casual gamer's eyes are going to glaze over at all the options available to them (and they'll never dig deep enough to see where ETW doesn't work). Furthermore, there are still hardcore games out there; check out Paradox's line of games which include some really arcane stuff.

If you find the TW series too unsophisticated, then check out other stuff. Not only are you more likely to find something you like, but you get to stick it to CA in the process.

[Fisherking]

No one gets it do they!

Fine, I laid it on thick about the past, great...

That was a preamble to what came after.


Everyone is pining for Shogun 2 here, meanwhile the kids are voting for another go at Rome...

That is all I was trying to say!

If I laid it on thick about a golden age of games that never really was For Get It...It was about Rome and Not STW2

You got it yet????


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I can’t just leave it...

You guys are like Joe Friday

Embellishment is way over your head it seems....

I bet you send birthday cars like...

Its your birthday huh?

[Braden]

Had a radical thought this morning (and to tentatively get thread back somewhat on track)..ok, not a full new game but an expansion:

Revolution: Total War

Covers -

English AND American Civil Wars using ETW's expanded engine.

Covers those wanting a more "Medieval" style game with the English Civil War and those wanting a more modern feel of mid-late 19th Century warfare with American Civil War.

Maps could be made quite extensive with gameplay similar to ETW with towns, farms etc being outside the regional capitals and the regional capitals a bit more realistically un-advanced.

(yeah, ok, I want an American Civil War game but thought just focusing on that wouldn't really make a good value £20 expansion)