Another Next Total War Poll

[NimitsTexan]

I have seen some say that a WWII version of Total War is not possible.

I am not promoting a WWII version but I think it is entirely doable. There have already been games that had air, land, and sea in battles so why would it be imposable for CA to make one.

I don't think the current engine would do it but if they had set out to do it I don't see a problem.

But having said that, I hope they do several others before they go looking at something like that.

A WWI/WWII Total War would have to tackle several new issues, namely incorporating Air/off map indirect fire, strategic attack, presumably bigger battles, and a continuous front.

As for fantsay/Sci Fi, how about Star Trek Total War? Tie it in with the new movie release, and it already presents numerous factions to use for a campaign. The biggest problems would be handling the issue of 3D maps/combat, but given that many Star Trek/Star Wars games have used basically two dimensional campaign and combat maps, that would not seem a prohibitive problem.

[antisocialmunky]

I think you're forgetting one thing...

Third Reich Tech Research:
Philosophy Path: The Final Solution to the Jewish Question.

I don't think that CA has a big enough pair to deal with any controversial considering how Switzerland and the West African slave trade did not exist in ETW. It would have been fun to take loans from Switzerland to jump start my economy but no.... And all things considered, you can't play as the Third Reich in a strategy game - its just politically unfeasible. You're a jerk if you pretend it didn't happen and you're insesitive if you portray it.

Tactics games deal with only the military situtation while a strategy game would force you to set overarching goals.

PS. WWI has a similar problem with the Armenian Genocide but its not as sensitive of a subject in the West.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I think you're forgetting one thing...

Third Reich Tech Research:
Philosophy Path: The Final Solution to the Jewish Question.

I don't think that CA has a big enough pair to deal with any controversial considering how Switzerland and the West African slave trade did not exist in ETW. It would have been fun to take loans from Switzerland to jump start my economy but no.... And all things considered, you can't play as the Third Reich in a strategy game - its just politically unfeasible. You're a dick if you pretend it didn't happen and you're insesitive if you portray it.

Tactics games deal with only the military situtation while a strategy game would force you to set overarching goals.

PS. WWI has a similar problem with the Armenian Genocide but its not as sensitive of a subject in the West.

Hearts of Iron, anyone?

[Dead Guy]

Or Close Combat.

[Fisherking]

@ antisocialmunky

Would you like to name a mainstream title that has dealt with that in a game?

Did RTW deal with the crucifixion of any Jews?

As to WWII combat, Guys.

The battles are RTS and look at the RTS battle games out there.

It doesn’t need to be 40 simulators tacked together.

Anything of Strategic scope could be handled like the old naval battles in an auto calc with flack & fighters vs. Bombers and escorts, or escorts vs. submarines and then fix a damage result for trade or infrastructure.

Continuous lines are covered with something like interception zones.

Use your imagination, it is doable.

That is all I said.

I never hinted it was desirable.

[AussieGiant]

So what was the deal with Switzerland not being in the game?

I live there so I'm not sure what the problem is.

As to the game, I think they have done a very good job in handling the "scope" needed for E:TW. That and the naval battles are a real positive point to this game.

Perhaps between 1540-1700, which is the European Renaissance period and put it on a global scale, including Japan, China, South America, most of Africa, the Indian subcontinent.

The only issue is that it is not really appealing for a war game.

[Braden]

So what was the deal with Switzerland not being in the game?

I live there so I'm not sure what the problem is.

As to the game, I think they have done a very good job in handling the "scope" needed for E:TW. That and the naval battles are a real positive point to this game.

Perhaps between 1540-1700, which is the European Renaissance period and put it on a global scale, including Japan, China, South America, most of Africa, the Indian subcontinent.

The only issue is that it is not really appealing for a war game.

However, the positive side of that is that it covers much of the colonial expansion from Europe and all the management headaches that could entail.

[Freedom Onanist]

I don't think that CA has a big enough pair to deal with any controversial considering how Switzerland .....did not exist in ETW

What's controversial about Switzerland not existing? What did I miss in my history lessons? What nefarious activities were they up to in those days?

Banking? Nope.

[Martok]

As for fantsay/Sci Fi, how about Star Trek Total War? Tie it in with the new movie release,

No.


Wait, let me rephrase that: NO!!


If they make a TW game based on that awful excuse for a "movie", blood will weep from the walls; hell-mouths will open up, devouring the Earth.

[antisocialmunky]

What's controversial about Switzerland not existing? What did I miss in my history lessons? What nefarious activities were they up to in those days?

Banking? Nope.

They have a policy of neutrality and it seems like for that reason, the Swiss Confederation was removed form the game. We never really got an answer on the Swiss question true, but the faction's unit assets are in ETW, its just that the faction, and that part of the map doesn't exist while tons of other minor factions exist.

Would you like to name a mainstream title that has dealt with that in a game?

Did RTW deal with the crucifixion of any Jews?

1) Those games only detail the military aspect like Company of Heroes and other RTT games like Blitzkrieg. That's how they get away with doing WWII without that bit of unpleasantness. You play as the military, not the civilian government.

In contrast, TW has not been exclusively about warfare since STW with all the random 4xish stuff that was added. You play as the leader or shadow government of your country building infrastructure, charging taxes, developping trade and technology.

And that's the problem: you don't play just as a general in the faction in TW, you play as the leader of the faction. You can't ignore what's going on beyond the battles.

Not that I would care if I was playing as Mr. Hitler, but there would be a fundemental problem in ignoring the policies of the Third Reich in a game that purports to be atleast semi-historical that shows both the civillian and military side...

2) But there were zealots, enslaving, extermination, and Judea was part of the game and you could exterminate Judea :-\. You also didn't start that game 8 years into the process of collecting and slowly killing 12 million people. Similarly the inquisition was in MTW as well as the persecution of the Jews though toned down quite abit. However, again your hands weren't tied.

This is opposed to faction whose starting ideology is based on racial superiority and the extermination of subhumans and undesirables.

Then there's the issue of Japan raping and pillaging their way through Asia for about 10 years...

EDIT:

Actually, what might be interesting is a WWII TW starting in 1930 and let it go from there. America isn't a powerhouse DEMOCRACYWINZ, France isn't dead, Germany is still in a state of flux, Russia isn't crippled by purges, China isn't at its complete nadir, and Japan hasn't declared on China.

You have to do some building so the game starts off kinda slow but they you form your own alliances as factions and watch the League of Nations be sad. France, Britain, Russia, and Japan start fast while Germany, America, China need to be built up.

So you can have a Red Alert style game where Russia invades Europe and America and the Allies have to hold it off or something. :)

You could also have the Chinese Nationalists unite China, get rid of the Communists and Warlords, and invade Japan and Russia.

[AussieGiant]

So Switzerland was left out because they were neutral?

Wow. I wonder how that occurred.

The more I think about it the more I realise that CA have pretty much covered everything.

I would expect a re-do after N:TW

[Zild]

For those thinking about sci-fi options, how about Aliens: Total War / AvP: Total War or Starship Troopers: Total War?

Well, CA does have something of a reputation when it comes to bugs... ;)

[Fisherking]

For those thinking about sci-fi options, how about Aliens: Total War / AvP: Total War or Starship Troopers: Total War?

Well, CA does have something of a reputation when it comes to bugs... ;)

[gardibolt]

Well, this part is kind of ridiculous:

Well, I guess we need to face it.

Once upon a time hard-core gamers were a force in the market. They bought the high-end machines and the games that ran on them.

My computer is dual core, blah blah blah, about a year and a half old, runs M2TW on all the highest settings, Can You Run It insists I more than meet all minimum specs, but it's actually too poor to run E:TW, at all. I figured, maybe low settings, but nothing, at all, zippo. With this game, CA has moved way beyond what the casual gamer is capable of, unless your idea of the casual gamer is buying the latest Alienware Deluxe every three months. It's clearly intended ONLY for the hardcorest of the hardcore gamers because no one with a casual computer rig can play it.

[Braden]

Well, this part is kind of ridiculous:




My computer is dual core, blah blah blah, about a year and a half old, runs M2TW on all the highest settings, Can You Run It insists I more than meet all minimum specs, but it's actually too poor to run E:TW, at all. I figured, maybe low settings, but nothing, at all, zippo. With this game, CA has moved way beyond what the casual gamer is capable of, unless your idea of the casual gamer is buying the latest Alienware Deluxe every three months. It's clearly intended ONLY for the hardcorest of the hardcore gamers because no one with a casual computer rig can play it.

Not so sure with that. Seems the 1.5 patch has significantly effected the performance of the game on systems that were happily running it on 1.4.

My PC is by No means top flight and built on a shoe-string budget and it, like yours, runs M2 at the highest settings on everything BUT judders and stutters with ver.1.5 of Empire. Fortunately, it does this mainly on the campaign screen when a turn is started or on the battle map if I zoom in for a close up.

My spec is only:

AMD X2 5000 processor
ATi 4650 512mb GFX card
2Gb Corsair 800mhz CL4 RAM

Hardly a “hard core” PC.

[G. Septimus]

For those thinking about sci-fi options, how about Aliens: Total War / AvP: Total War or Starship Troopers: Total War?

Well, CA does have something of a reputation when it comes to bugs... ;)

duuuh
how will that be fought?????????
Starship Troopers don't fire in a line, in that time, firing like that would be only ysed by a dumbass

[Braden]

duuuh
how will that be fought?????????
Starship Troopers don't fire in a line, in that time, firing like that would be only ysed by a dumbass

What "time" would that be? Would any firing by a human even be around "in that time"......

Ooo....Cyborg: Total Wars!!



A joke just as much as a Starship Troopers comment huh?

[nanoboy]

How about Bronze Age: Total War, taking place in the eastern Mediterranean region and further east to the Indus River Valley. You get a great mix of peoples, weapons, tactics, and so on. There are the Egyptians, the early Greeks, the Babylonians, the Hittites, the Canaanites, the Persians, the Jewish people (who could be treated like a horde rampaging into Canaanite territory), Abyssinia, and all sorts of other minor peoples living in the region. The existance of slingers, bowmen, early cavalry, CHARIOTS, heavy spearmen, and light swordsmen could make for some fun tactics.

[Zild]

duuuh
how will that be fought?????????
Starship Troopers don't fire in a line, in that time, firing like that would be only ysed by a dumbass

You're assuming the gameplay mechanics would be based around tight unit formations rather than loose unit cohesion or perhaps some other, more suitable approach.

You're assuming I was being serious, not making a blatant joke at CA's expense.

[Tsavong]

I hope they don't jump for Rome 2 as those who love Rome will just be disappointed its not the same and people hoping for something new from the worlds history would be disappointed.

Also I don't think Total War should no more modern than the 1800s there are already games that do world war 2 or modern war.