1.5. Anyone playing as France try to declare war on Cherokees?

**A1_Unit** · 10-23-2009, 22:36

Basically in ETW it's usually best to get your target nation to attack you. If you play as GB the Cherokees attack the Thirteen Colonies within a few turns and you get to go to war with them - it takes longer for them to attack Louisiana though.

**Braden** · 10-26-2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by A1_Unit

Basically in ETW it's usually best to get your target nation to attack you. If you play as GB the Cherokees attack the Thirteen Colonies within a few turns and you get to go to war with them - it takes longer for them to attack Louisiana though.

Ok, that sounds like a plan. I'll see if I can phish them off sufficiently to launch an attack.

**Durallan** · 10-27-2009, 00:35

maybe the idea is to simulate the historical treaties nations made with indian factions, and that way if you do want your protectorate, well theyre trying to force you to break your treaties so that everyone knows what you did to the native americans, or something like that?

**Beskar** · 10-27-2009, 07:14

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

**Braden** · 10-27-2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by Beskar

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

Oh…that’s a real crock. I’ve started to annoy them diplomatically now…I am officially “Disliked” after cancelling their military access rights.

I can’t demand any regions from them for some reason (guess I’m not disliked enough for that) so I started asking for regular “tribute” payments “or else”…its somewhere to start. I’ll just keep doing that every turn and see what happens…this ought to test the diplomatic Ai a bit.

Just to check though, when I open up the diplomatic screen for Regions..it only shows my own…never theirs.

**Fisherking** · 10-27-2009, 11:57

Originally Posted by Braden

Oh…that’s a real crock. I’ve started to annoy them diplomatically now…I am officially “Disliked” after cancelling their military access rights.

I can’t demand any regions from them for some reason (guess I’m not disliked enough for that) so I started asking for regular “tribute” payments “or else”…its somewhere to start. I’ll just keep doing that every turn and see what happens…this ought to test the diplomatic Ai a bit.

Just to check though, when I open up the diplomatic screen for Regions..it only shows my own…never theirs.

Regions are theater based. You have to go the Americas to see their regions. It is also their capital so you can’t demand that one. You will just have to settle for one you know they won’t give you.

**Braden** · 10-27-2009, 13:32

Back to the "annoying them every turn with random threats" plan then.

I'm in no hurry to complete the mission but I'd love the ships Louisiana is kicking out at the moment! Don't ya love Ai factions in-human way to tech up so fast...

I'm sitting on 4th rate ships now at least (year 1710) so I can start holding my own against those uber Pirate Galleons.

**Slaists** · 10-27-2009, 16:38

Originally Posted by Beskar

The thing I dislike is how Britain Spain and France NPC's automatically own their protectorates after 5 turns or so. They should have never implemented that in the game.

Well, I think, that's implemented in order to provide some challenge for the player and elevating non-player Britain, France and Spain to the super-power status they were at the time. On the other hand, giving these provinces to the player at the game start would make for a rather boring game.

Originally Posted by Braden

Back to the "annoying them every turn with random threats" plan then.

I'm in no hurry to complete the mission but I'd love the ships Louisiana is kicking out at the moment! Don't ya love Ai factions in-human way to tech up so fast...

I'm sitting on 4th rate ships now at least (year 1710) so I can start holding my own against those uber Pirate Galleons.

I think, you need to appear "being weak" militarily too in order for the AI to bite. If you have a large army next to the faction you're trying to annoy they are not likely to attack.

**Braden** · 10-27-2009, 17:49

Originally Posted by Slaists

Well, I think, that's implemented in order to provide some challenge for the player and elevating non-player Britain, France and Spain to the super-power status they were at the time. On the other hand, giving these provinces to the player at the game start would make for a rather boring game.

I think, you need to appear "being weak" militarily too in order for the AI to bite. If you have a large army next to the faction you're trying to annoy they are not likely to attack.

Like that plan…it can be done. I’ve been pursuing the Iroquois with only 2 thirds of a stack (settings VH battles, Normal campaign this time) so by the time I get to them I may well seem weak!

Noticed, oddly, that I can build colonial dragoons…didn’t think France got them?!?

**Fisherking** · 10-27-2009, 18:26

Colonial dragoons you get as France.

Just the straight dragoons and never light dragoons.

I think you can build them anywhere outside Europe. Africa is as close to home as you get them.