The monarchy poll

[Viking]

Poll is under way.

If you would like to abolish/maintain status quo in your own country, but have "no" opinion on monarchism in general, go for one of the two latter options.

"would like it different" --> yes, that would mean "I want my country to become a monarchy."

Edit: Second option should read:

"I live in a monarchy and want to abolish status quo. I am also against monarchism in general."

Need some mod assistance here.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I beat the poll.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Seeing how authoritarianism is not much different from monarchy, I will go ahead and support it, although I realise authoritarianism suits best only certain types of countries, usually the struggling ones.

[gaelic cowboy]

Down with that sort of thing off with there heads i say and all that sort of thingy

[Aemilius Paulus]

Down with that sort of thing off with there heads i say and all that sort of thingy

So you support the death penalty without the due process of law?

[gaelic cowboy]

So you support the death penalty without the due process of law?

You betcha seeing as they did it first our mob rule will carry on the tradition

[Aemilius Paulus]

You betcha seeing as they did it first our mob rule will carry on the tradition

Hmmm, I suppose you do have a point... But what if they are just?

[Meneldil]

I don't support monarchism in general, as the very basis of this political system seem totally undemocratic to me.
I absolutely loath it in my own country, as it is strongely tied to nationalism, antisemitism, racism, fascism and generally all kind of right-wing nutjobness.

But if people who live under monarchies are okay with it, then I guess that's their own problem. I'm not for the abolishment of monarchy on a world-wide scale.

[gaelic cowboy]

Hmmm, I suppose you do have a point... But what if they are just?

Indeed and what if the mob has grounds too we could throw remarks all night I follow the Father Ted maxim Down with that sort of thing

[Aemilius Paulus]

antisemitism,

Funny you say so, because the tyrant Napoleon "emancipated" the Jews, and not the other perpetrators of the French Revolution who believed in democracy...

[Sarmatian]

I absolutely loath it in my own country, as it is strongely tied to nationalism, antisemitism, racism, fascism and generally all kind of right-wing nutjobness.

I may as well just quote this as it's the same in my country.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Seeing how authoritarianism is not much different from monarchy, I will go ahead and support it, although I realise authoritarianism suits best only certain types of countries, usually the struggling ones.

There is a whole spectrum of monarchies, they don't necessarily have to be any more authoritarian than any other system.

But I am in general opposed to the idea. There are plenty of ways to ensure stability without a hereditary succession, and inbreeding is always an issue (and that's a serious point as well).

[gaelic cowboy]

Does Norway not count as a constitiounal monarchy

Now that I think some democracy's have president's very close to monarchs. Ireland's President can be appointed by the Dail if all sides of the House agree this has happened three times so far in the last thirty years. Also the Job of our president is broadly simmilar to a monarch no power but still head of state. Hmm time to sharpen up the pikes maybe

[Aemilius Paulus]

But I am in general opposed to the idea. There are plenty of ways to ensure stability without a hereditary succession, and inbreeding is always an issue (and that's a serious point as well).

Then why is there so much instability in this world? Perhaps you can enlighten us :P. And I do not believe inbreeding is still an issue ...

[gaelic cowboy]

Then why is there so much instability in this world? Perhaps you can enlighten us :P. And I do not believe inbreeding is still an issue ...

Why was the world unstable before largescale democracy too could be thrown back at you.

[Meneldil]

Funny you say so, because the tyrant Napoleon "emancipated" the Jews, and not the other perpetrators of the French Revolution who believed in democracy...

No. Jews received complete citizenship right after the Revolution, in july 1791 (the discussion on this topic started in july, the law was signed by the king in october). Many well known revolutionaries supported it since the very first days of the Revolution: Mirabeau, Malesherbes, Grégoire, Robespierre...

Napoléon only confirmed the decrees taken by the National Assembly. Napoléon was openly antisemit, never trusted the jews and only let them have their full citizenship to avoid disorder. When he signed the Concordat, he made it clear that catholicism was more trustworthy than judaism.

[Viking]

Does Norway not count as a constitiounal monarchy

You need to travel no further than to the UK.

[gaelic cowboy]

You need to travel no further than to the UK.

Nah everyone knows the Lizard Aliens are the actually monarchs of England

[Aemilius Paulus]

Napoléon only confirmed the decrees taken by the National Assembly. Napoléon was openly antisemit, never trusted the jews and only let them have their full citizenship to avoid disorder. When he signed the Concordat.

Yes, you certainly have a good point there.

[Louis VI the Fat]

There's this bar in Paris, what's it called,it has an original guillotine. Still in mint condition, fully functioning. Way cool.


I shall never understand why adults don't want to have the right to elect their own government. Might as well re-install lesser nobility, so you don't need to have any aspirations of getting to govern at the local level either.
Speaking of which, just re-instate feudalism outright. More bosses to kneel down to, for those with a mind for petty grovelling.

[gaelic cowboy]

Agreed

[Beskar]

Anyone who supports monarchism who are not a monarch, is pretty much foolish.

Monarchy - Great for the Monarch, Very Bad for the Rest.

(And just for Louis:
Revolution - Very Bad for the Monarch, Very Good for the Rest. )

[miotas]

[...]Now that I think some democracy's have president's very close to monarchs. Ireland's President can be appointed by the Dail if all sides of the House agree this has happened three times so far in the last thirty years. Also the Job of our president is broadly simmilar to a monarch no power but still head of state. Hmm time to sharpen up the pikes maybe

I think it's interesting how the president of the US holds more political power within their system, than any one person holds within the political system of our constitutional monarchy. (AP, You may want to reassess which systems you consider more authoritarian )

[...], and inbreeding is always an issue (and that's a serious point as well).

Probably why the danish prince married a tassie

[Banquo's Ghost]

[Edit: Second option should read:

"I live in a monarchy and want to abolish status quo. I am also against monarchism in general."

Need some mod assistance here.

Fixed as requested.

[Fisherking]

I live under a government and don’t particularly support governments in general...but what ya gona do?

[Beskar]

Yeah, if you didn't fix it, I would have been really upset, as I only selected that option as it was meant to be the fixed one.

I don't want to be accused of supporting a Monarchy.

[Viking]

I shall never understand why adults don't want to have the right to elect their own government. Might as well re-install lesser nobility, so you don't need to have any aspirations of getting to govern at the local level either.
Speaking of which, just re-instate feudalism outright. More bosses to kneel down to, for those with a mind for petty grovelling.

Anyone who supports monarchism who are not a monarch, is pretty much foolish.

Monarchy - Great for the Monarch, Very Bad for the Rest.

(And just for Louis:
Revolution - Very Bad for the Monarch, Very Good for the Rest. )

This is only tangential though; most western monarchs have no real power. Else I think this could have been renamed to the "Do you want to live in a dictatorship?" poll.

The modern monarchies might seem kind of pointless from some viewing angles, including mine, and I'd like to abolish them because I feel that placing some people above the rest in such a peculiar constitution granted way isn't quite right; even if just symbolic. And for me, this has nothing to do with democracy at all.

Fixed as requested.

Merci.

[Centurion1]

Then why is there so much instability in this world? Perhaps you can enlighten us :P. And I do not believe inbreeding is still an issue ...

bah authoritarianism is great in the first one or two generations. And then the leaders get weaker and weaker and weaker. And don't you dare say England prospered. They had god knows how many dynasties.

Personally i think a benevolent dictatorship is a great form of governemnt but a hereditary succession is foolish, government should always be first and foremost a meritocracy of sorts as should the military.

[Aemilius Paulus]

bah authoritarianism is great in the first one or two generations. And then the leaders get weaker and weaker and weaker.

We are working on that

[Kralizec]

I live in a constitutional monarchy and I'd like to see it abolished in my lifetime. There ought to be a referendum about it.