For Roman Cities: What kind of temple to build?

[applebreath]

I'm playing on Extentend Alexander EB.

What do you think is the staple type of temple that should be built for Roman cities, and why?

I will build a couple Mars type temples, for troops, but after that I'm not for sure. I'm debating between the Law type (I think it gives the most benifits) or the Health type (I like the idea of people that care about their health). But I'm open to other options too.

Also, what about for Roma specifically? Would this be a good place to build Mars for troops or is Law best here? Historically, didn't most troops come from Roma?

-Apple

[Finn MacCumhail]

I prefer Jupiter temples, because they support law (40%). And it is very helpful in far away cities. Also it reduce corruption -> profit. Also I admit that in my even Italian cities with my own spies inside, suddenly public order go out of control.

Mars - morale boost. In cities where I hire troops. (exept Roma) (I build MICs only in few of my cities).

And Ceres - I admit it gives chance that your FM will have children more higher. But it could be just accident.

[Mulceber]

Normal cities: Temple of Jupiter

Cities in high-grain-producing areas (Sicily, North Africa, Egypt): Temple of Ceres

[Belisarius II]

Mars in army producing cities, Ceres in farming towns/ small villages, Jupiter in everything else.

[Kasperl]

What is the difference between public order from law and from happiness?
Does law also reduce corruption or something?

[bigmilt16]

law improves public order while reducing corruption

happiness, i believe, solely improves public order

does the temple of mars only improve morale of recruited troops or just the FM's who reside there?

[A Very Super Market]

Improving morale is a feature that does not work in RTW. It gives no effect.

I remember there being buildings that negated happiness, but not law. But that gives the same result anyways. Law is still better due to the corruption loss.

[Cute Wolf]

Improving morale is a feature that does not work in RTW. It gives no effect.

I remember there being buildings that negated happiness, but not law. But that gives the same result anyways. Law is still better due to the corruption loss.

That's true, morale isn't working.... so I built Jupiter on most cities, although I give ceres a big temple on Rhegion, Syrakousai, and some certain places so My family could have more children...

[Weebeast]

Usually I allow religious freedom and upgrade whatever is built if there isn't a temple then I build Ceres. The money is good and I get more chances of getting populares. Plus she's good looking. She is like that farmer's daughter that you just want to cuddle with. Juno is too old, Vesta is a virgin, Minerva looks like a dude. I didn't care much about the math and honestly I noticed nothing significant. Good to know Jupiter is the only one worth building nonetheless. That kinda bugs the hell out of me.

[applebreath]

Yeah, the Law type increases public order AND decreases corruption and unrest.

So, moral doesn't help with anything in Extended Alexander EB? Is this proven? I thought it had to do with how long your troops would fighter before they fled, this isn't true? - That would mean that the Mars type buildings arn't that good, except for experience.

Ceres helps with children and trade? Any other benefits?

Thanks,
Apple.

[The General]

Yeah, the Law type increases public order AND decreases corruption and unrest.

So, moral doesn't help with anything in Extended Alexander EB? Is this proven? I thought it had to do with how long your troops would fighter before they fled, this isn't true? - That would mean that the Mars type buildings arn't that good, except for experience.

Ceres helps with children and trade? Any other benefits?

Thanks,
Apple.

Morale works, morale bonuses from temples (etc.) do not.

[applebreath]

Morale works, morale bonuses from temples (etc.) do not.

Why not? Did EB do that on purpose or is it something hard coded that they couldn't fix?

[Ludens]

Why not? Did EB do that on purpose or is it something hard coded that they couldn't fix?

It's a bug in the original RTW.exe, so yes, it cannot be fixed. It may be that the morale bonus is actually a bonus for troops within the province, but we don't really know.

As for temple bonuses: check this thread.

[seienchin]

Yeah its kind of embarrasing, that all the war god temples in EB are near to useless and no one ever thought about fixing it
But anyway with a temple of mars you can get a priest of mars as an anxillary for your generals, which gives you an combat bonus.

[applebreath]

It's a bug in the original RTW.exe, so yes, it cannot be fixed. It may be that the morale bonus is actually a bonus for troops within the province, but we don't really know.

As for temple bonuses: check this thread.

Does that mean since my game is using alex.exe, moral bonuses work properly? As to the guide, I took a look at it, but it is outdated (1.0v) so I didn't know how much of it was still of use to me. But it is a nice reference.

-Apple

[Ludens]

Does that mean since my game is using alex.exe, moral bonuses work properly? As to the guide, I took a look at it, but it is outdated (1.0v) so I didn't know how much of it was still of use to me. But it is a nice reference.

It's for EB 1.1, actually, and I am not aware of any changes between 1.1 and 1.2.

It's possible that the morale bonuses were fixed for alex.exe, but as it is not mentioned by the developers nor addressed in any of the patches, I doubt they are even aware of the problem.

[bigmilt16]

While I can't speak to troops in alex, the Mars temple does affect FM's traits. I notice that Mars is the ideal place to develop a ruthless, brave, bloodthirsty general. He will develop strong traits that will make him a great general; however, if he stays in the city for too many years, he will become a violent psychopath.

[seienchin]

Does that mean since my game is using alex.exe, moral bonuses work properly? As to the guide, I took a look at it, but it is outdated (1.0v) so I didn't know how much of it was still of use to me. But it is a nice reference.

-Apple

Half of the Improvements in Alex.exe, which people are saying on the Internet are just lies.
They dont work in Alex either, and no the Naval invasions in Alex arent more frequent. In fact the opposite is true.

[Kevin]

If the morale bonus doesn't even work... then why does Creative Assembly still even have a job?

[Ca Putt]

On a side note: has anyone made a minimod to make all temples at least somewhat balanced(Tax bonus is ridiculous and I've heard public order bonus(so not law or Happiness) does not have any effects aswell). thus Replacing buged boni and increasing the tax bonus. I tried it but when I started a new campaign i had rather many CTDs and some factins crashed to desktop when I wanted to start a campaign with them D:

[The General]

Half of the Improvements in Alex.exe, which people are saying on the Internet are just lies.
They dont work in Alex either, and no the Naval invasions in Alex arent more frequent. In fact the opposite is true.

Your devotion to put down BI and Alex .exes at every given chance is quite amusing, and most certainly intriguing. Why the hate?

[mountaingoat]

If the morale bonus doesn't even work... then why does Creative Assembly still even have a job?

someone has to take your money

[Apázlinemjó]

Your devotion to put down BI and Alex .exes at every given chance is quite amusing, and most certainly intriguing. Why the hate?

Agreed, and I don't know why he says, that there are fewer naval invasions in Alex than in vanilla RTW, when it's definitely not true.

[applebreath]

Morale works, morale bonuses from temples (etc.) do not.

What about morale bonues from non temple buildings? Do they work as they should?

[The General]

What about morale bonues from non temple buildings? Do they work as they should?

As they are executed with the same command line in EDB, I'd think they do not work either.

[applebreath]

As they are executed with the same command line in EDB, I'd think they do not work either.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

[TheStranger]

On a side note: has anyone made a minimod to make all temples at least somewhat balanced(Tax bonus is ridiculous and I've heard public order bonus(so not law or Happiness) does not have any effects aswell). thus Replacing buged boni and increasing the tax bonus. I tried it but when I started a new campaign i had rather many CTDs and some factins crashed to desktop when I wanted to start a campaign with them D:

Everytime I play EB I'm thinking exactly the same. It's a pity that you can only build 1-3 temples per faction cause the others are just useless. Is this a difficult thing to change, maybe hardcoded or what's the reason why it wasn't fixed?

[Ludens]

While I can't speak to troops in alex, the Mars temple does affect FM's traits. I notice that Mars is the ideal place to develop a ruthless, brave, bloodthirsty general. He will develop strong traits that will make him a great general; however, if he stays in the city for too many years, he will become a violent psychopath.

Yes, the traits & triggers associated with temples do work. We were talking about the troop-morale bonus that is mentioned in the building description.

Half of the Improvements in Alex.exe, which people are saying on the Internet are just lies.
They dont work in Alex either, and no the Naval invasions in Alex arent more frequent. In fact the opposite is true.

Your devotion to put down BI and Alex .exes at every given chance is quite amusing, and most certainly intriguing. Why the hate?

Keep it friendly, please.

I am aware that some of the claims about BI.exe and Alex.exe are unfounded. However, many people requested these adaptations, so Ferromancer and Maksimus ought to be commended for making them available.

If the morale bonus doesn't even work... then why does Creative Assembly still even have a job?

It's hardly a game-breaker, is it? I agree that it's sloppy testing on the part of CA, but this is a minor thing that is easily overlooked.

On a side note: has anyone made a minimod to make all temples at least somewhat balanced(Tax bonus is ridiculous and I've heard public order bonus(so not law or Happiness) does not have any effects aswell).

I don't think there is, which is a pity since I would be interested in it as well. BTW, law and happiness work: it's the loyalty bonus that does not do anything.

[The General]

Keep it friendly, please.

I am aware that some of the claims about BI.exe and Alex.exe are unfounded. However, many people requested these adaptations, so Ferromancer and Maksimus ought to be commended for making them available.

I did not intend to my post to be offensive, and I do not believe I insulted him, but rather remarked on the amusing nature of his habit of bashing BI and Alex .exes for whatever reason. Also, this isn't his first post on the subject matter, he has been posting similar posts in several threads, as I'm sure you have noticed.

[Kevin]

Aw man, I got a warning for taking my friend's old copy