Kung Fu Mafia III [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

The father's son is the one steering.

It's Monday, have I recovered from my duel yet?

[Double A]

That even men can become backseat drivers.

[Renata]

Beskar --

I had some issues with that post of yours. People come out making arguments (accurate ones) for why it is particularly good for Townies to make real votes in this game (on both an individual and a Go-Team basis), and your immediate reaction is to try to find problems with that idea. I find that extremely suspicious in itself. Then we add to that the fact that the substance of your objection, as ATPG has already pointed out, is questionable at best.

The Ninjas may be allowed to attack each other -- Sasaki hasn't clarified. They may or may not risk actually dying if they try that. OK, there are some unknowns here. But the absolute worst case is that we must take the "confirmed Townie" pool with a slight grain of salt. But this isn't any win-win for the Ninjas. To attack one another (if it's allowed), they must:
-- give up a potential Townie kill that night
-- perhaps risk the attacked Ninja dying
-- leave enough of the actual confirmed Townies alive to provide cover for their mole

All of these things are good for Town. And your other objection, that they might want to go after the confirmed to remove them from the pool -- well of course they will, but given we can only have those confirmed in the first place if the Ninjas fail their kills, this is also good for Town. And that comes right back to the base point -- the best odds to GET confirmed Townies in the first place is for Townies to put their votes on Ninjas (in addition to all the other ways to gain points).

It's unquestionably a pro-Town suggestion, and your first instinct was to pooh-pooh it. That reads Scum to me, the first really good lead we've had. So I voted you. I don't anticipate changing it.

[pevergreen]

ATPG seems to be and I am, sick of him being instantly pro town. Treat him no differently than any other player.

I doubt they can attack each other. Anyone else remember rules in this line in other Sasaki games?

[Renata]

ATPG seems to be and I am, sick of him being instantly pro town. Treat him no differently than any other player.

I'm not, actually, though I suppose I should say so explicitly. Mafia love to make "pro-Town" suggestions, if they think it won't hurt them too much. But that can go either way. Beskar's response, on the other hand, is much more likely to come from a Ninja than a Townie.

[pevergreen]

I'm not, actually, though I suppose I should say so explicitly. Mafia love to make "pro-Town" suggestions, if they think it won't hurt them too much. But that can go either way. Beskar's response, on the other hand, is much more likely to come from a Ninja than a Townie.

So is what you are doing.

Everyone has their own playstyles, and with Holmes being a big factor back in the day for quite a few of us longer term players, we know we can't stick to a playstyle.

Mafia try to appear as townies, low risk style. Going out and attacking people draws attention, but possibly draws attention away from you later.

I don't see what he has done as scummy.

I'm off to get some sleep, I get audited at work in... 9 hours.

[Renata]

On the contrary, I think it's one of the most Scummy things out there. Someone makes a pro-Town suggestion, and you (that is, Beskar) go "but but but ... flail about with lousy reasoning" ... that's supposed to be not Scummy?

Anyway, I made the mistake of giving that sort of behavior a pass in a recent game, thinking Mafia would at be at least a little cautious about opposing suggestions that are clearly in Town's interest, and I was wrong. Not letting it pass a second time.

[Beskar]

On the contrary, I think it's one of the most Scummy things out there. Someone makes a pro-Town suggestion, and you (that is, Beskar) go "but but but ... flail about with lousy reasoning" ... that's supposed to be not Scummy?

You know there is a actually a line, there is disagreeing with some one then there is trying to insult them.

I draw a massive fallacy in your argument, any sane Mafia would kill (or in this game, attempt) to kill any confirmed innocents straight away, because lets be honest, get to late game and you got those "confirmed innocents" and the "unknown", the Mafia would instantly be in hot water. Thus, your whole idea of a "Confirmed Town" will not be there (hence the flaw).

It isn't lousy reasoning or "but but but". It is more pointing out the big flaw in your plan. Sorry that pointing out this flaw hurt your master plan but really... Askthepizzaguy however did raise some good points, about even if the Mafia did do that, there would be certain advantages to it, this is called a "positive contribution" to the discussion, opposed to attacking some one.

I then agreed to his points and conceded to it, which was another way at looking at the situation (opposed to the one you suggested). Ergo, using your point and by the criticism and discussion that followed, we actually do as a town, have a good basis and point which puts the Ninja in a really awkward position.

Now for alternative hypothesis, are you a Ninja trying to prey on what you might perceive as an easy target using a flawed reasoning of your own as a basis, or is it more of a personal vendetta?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Renata

SCUM