Israel and Hamas possibly facing a trial

**CountArach** · 10-23-2009, 01:06

Israel doesn't accept the legitimacy of the ICC, having not ratified the agreement. Therefore, no on from there can be brought before it.

What a just world we live in.

**Hax** · 10-23-2009, 01:08

Israel doesn't accept the legitimacy of the ICC, having not ratified the agreement. Therefore, no on from there can be brought before it.

What a just world we live in.

Actually, there's something to that. The Palestinian Authority is trying to get approval by the United Nations to be accepted as a member state for the ICC. If they agree, the ICC will have jurisdiction to judge any person that commits crimes within the borders of the member state in which the crimes have been perpetuated.

Might be something, eh..you never know.

**Tribesman** · 10-23-2009, 01:41

If they agree, the ICC will have jurisdiction to judge any person that commits crimes within the borders of the member state in which the crimes have been perpetuated.

No need, these constitute grave violations of the4th so there is universal jurisdiction which means any signatory can bring them to court.

**Hooahguy** · 10-23-2009, 02:27

the UN is in no position to dictate about morals to Israel. we took a risk in pulling out of gaza with the UN telling us that they would come to our defense. for years rockets fell on civilian populations and the UN was silent. we fight back, they go nuts. besides most western nations didnt vote for it. now what does that tell you about it?
what a load of

idiots, the UN all are. a joke, thats what they are. run by thugs and liars. (sorry i had to vent.)
Bibis speech to the UN was magnificent. that is all i will say about the matter, coming to the realization that debate here is futile.

**Hax** · 10-23-2009, 02:41

Well, y'know, Hooah...

There's more to the world than just Israel. There's more to the world than just Palestine. Both sides have committed atrocities. We should learn from our mistakes.

Judge Goldstone is Jewish and has a lot of respect from the South African people. He is a man with loads of experience. If there's anyone fit to handle the situation, it's probably him.

**KarlXII** · 10-23-2009, 03:35

Hamas to conduct credible investigations

Have fun with that, UN.

**Tribesman** · 10-23-2009, 08:27

the UN is in no position to dictate about morals to Israel.

Yes it is.

we took a risk in pulling out of gaza

No you didn't, neither did Israel for that matter.

with the UN telling us that they would come to our defense.

for years rockets fell on civilian populations and the UN was silent.

Bollox

we fight back, they go nuts.

They went nuts because it appears the State was flagrantly commiting war crimes against civilians.

coming to the realization that debate here is futile

Thats sad, over time your knee jerk reactions to any subject mentioning Israel had matured and moderated.
You appear to have regressed

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-23-2009, 09:01

the UN is in no position to dictate about morals to Israel.

Because you are the choosen ones? Like in "Highlander"?

Newsflash, the UN is ALL about dictating morals to individual states. One might even argue that is the reason why the UN exists!

we took a risk in pulling out of gaza with the UN telling us that they would come to our defense.

Some rabbid rabi told you this? I would love if you gave some links to support it, because from all I have read, that is... Just wrong.

for years rockets fell on civilian populations and the UN was silent.

How many civilians did those rockets kill? In the meantime, how many civilians did israel kill? And let's face it, the UN wasn't really silent, nor the world press. I even heard about it in backwater Austria.

we fight back, they go nuts.

Well, if less civilians and ordinary citizens would get hurt in your "fight back" I dont think many would have a problem. Israel is a modern state, you have the technology to limit non-military casualties. You just choose not to. Are you suprised people react?

besides most western nations didnt vote for it. now what does that tell you about it?

It tells me that most western nations thinks we might aswell build a wall around both countries, throw in some weapons occasionaly, and show it on prime-time TV.

what a load of

idiots, the UN all are. a joke, thats what they are. run by thugs and liars. (sorry i had to vent.)

Yeah, cause anyone not agreeing on Israels stance in their conflict is thugs and liars. Not to mention nazis. Remind me again, how many civilians has Israel killed? Is it more or less than the other side? You cant have the belief that one israeli life = 10 others and have it agreed on world wide.

Bibis speech to the UN was magnificent. that is all i will say about the matter, coming to the realization that debate here is futile.

When I say that debate is futile, I would rather point at individual cases than general ones

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 10-23-2009, 09:33

I wish there could be a way to erase that whole region. World would be much nicer then.

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-23-2009, 09:53

Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

I wish there could be a way to erase that whole region. World would be much nicer then.

You know, I could say the F-word and get banned...

But a statement like yours is quite ok... AMERICA,

YEAH!!!!

However, I am still in favour of building walls and throwing in weapons, broadcasted on live-TV at prime-time

He "wished there were" (subjunctive, hence clearly hypothetical) and did not single out any particular nation/culture for cultur bashing. So yes, his statement DOES pass muster as an expression of frustration (however unrealistic). SF

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-23-2009, 10:24

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

the UN is in no position to dictate about morals to Israel. we took a risk in pulling out of gaza with the UN telling us that they would come to our defense. for years rockets fell on civilian populations and the UN was silent. we fight back, they go nuts. besides most western nations didnt vote for it. now what does that tell you about it?
what a load of

idiots, the UN all are. a joke, thats what they are. run by thugs and liars. (sorry i had to vent.)
Bibis speech to the UN was magnificent. that is all i will say about the matter, coming to the realization that debate here is futile.

Rubbish, bombing the hell out of Gaza was totally unjustified and pretty much an unmitigated military failure as well

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-23-2009, 10:28

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Rubbish, bombing the hell out of Gaza was totally unjustified and pretty much an unmitigated military failure as well

Wait, are you talking about when the Palestinians bombed the hell out of gaza or when the israeli bombed the hell out of gaza...

Cause for a layman like me, I am really struggling here...

From my humble point of view, yeah, both sides should be up for Haag...

**Fragony** · 10-23-2009, 11:12

I am with Hooahguy. All this nonsense, it basicly comes down to Israel not having the right to defend themselves because they aren't helpless. The Dutch killed entire villages in Indonesia. The French killed entire villages in Algeria. The rape of Africa. And we weren't even under attack, we have no moral authority here.