Israel and Hamas possibly facing a trial

[Vladimir]

Except, that if you want to safeguard the lifes of people, you generally don't bomb hospitals.

If they wanted to safeguard the lives of civilians so dearly, they should have sent out an expert team of snipers, for example.

When your enemy stores munitions in churches, you blow up the churches.

Don't be an armchair general. You have no idea of the tactical situation on the ground.

[Fragony]

They are still humans.

I know some people who would get very upset if you said that in their face. Hamas is scum, they kill people for singing at wedding party's it's a death-cult.

[Hax]

I know some people who would get very upset if you said that in their face.

So what? They are still humans, and this is something we should never ever forget. We're still dealing with people who share the same emotions as us.

[Fragony]

We're still dealing with people who share the same emotions as us.

No we aren't, these people are completely different.

[Hax]

They experience sadness, love, hate, anger, compassion, fear, happiness, just as we do.

[Fragony]

They experience sadness, love, hate, anger, compassion, fear, happiness, just as we do.

Sure, but if the mods will allow a little straightforwardness, I believe that the problem is Islam itself.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sure, but if the mods will allow a little straightforwardness, I believe that the problem is Islam itself.

Ok... This is just getting scary...

[Fragony]

Ok... This is just getting scary...

Stockhom Syndrome by Proxy, that is scary

[Vladimir]

Okay, can we lock this thread now? It's going nowhere. Or rather, where this topic always goes.

[Hax]

Sure, but if the mods will allow a little straightforwardness, I believe the problem is Islam itself.

Deleted by Moderator, borderline personal attack.

To begin, "Islam" is not just one big bloc. There are numerous schools/sects, including Ismaili, Druze, Aveli, and many others. How can you claim that Islam is Deleted? This truly is sickening.

Mods, I request a deleteion of that comment since it is hateful and no less than pure xenophobia in its worst form and insulting to the numerous Muslim members of these forums, and in violation of .org rules:

# Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing... ...any kind of "flaming", slurs, or insults -- addressed to either an individual or a group -- is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.

This discussion is not about Islam. This discussion is about Israel and Palestine.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

When your enemy stores munitions in churches, you blow up the churches.

Don't be an armchair general. You have no idea of the tactical situation on the ground.

Not with the congregation inside, which is exactly why Saddam moved hostages into his weapons dumps.

[Vladimir]

Not with the congregation inside, which is exactly why Saddam moved hostages into his weapons dumps.

Yes with the congregation inside and with a million babies guarding the perimeter if the target is valuable enough. It's likely Israel conducted whatever cost/benefit analysis their military uses to make such a call.

So you're saying we shouldn't destroy those ammo dumps? If the incident you're referring to happened, it was Saddam who committed the war crime, not the country who blew the dump. He used the same tactic with his command and control centers. Hamas is not above such tactics.

[Kadagar_AV]

Fragony, dont get me wrong. I def do not hold muslims in high esteem, and I truly wish there were fewer of them around in Sweden. However, I am thinking you are going sliiiightly over the line here.




As to the topic.

Am I the only one finding it, well, kind of natural that both sides has been found to commit war crimes?

[Vladimir]

As to the topic.

Am I the only one finding it, well, kind of natural that both sides has been found to commit war crimes?

Not at all. In a sense, war itself is a crime, and I suspect rules are constantly broken in this conflict.

[Reenk Roink]

It's a UN court?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

A few "blanket" slurs and some "edged" responses. Play nice folks.

[Subotan]

I'm no Islamophobe/Anti-Semite, but I'm just wondering; does Hamas support the reintroduction of the Sharia Legal System, and if so, would that provide a pretext for rejecting the UN Courts?

[Hax]

@Subotan: Not officially, but there are cases of Hamas instituting laws of Shariah.

[Subotan]

Huh. Besides, it's probably not going to reject the findings of a trial that will probably (and rightly) find Israel responsible for various war crimes.

[Hax]

Don't get it wrong, Hamas will be tried as well. Judge Goldstone has said that the UN has been lax in viewing Hamas' conduct. Hamas will be tried as well.

[Subotan]

I know, but it's to be expected that Israel will come out worse than Hamas.

[Hax]

Yeah, but why shouldn't they? There are different ways of judgement for different crimes. We'll see.

[CountArach]

Are you forgetting that deserving people have won the nobel peace price?

Errrr....... what?

If you mean Obama didn't deserve it then you might recall... I agree...

But still - what are you on about?

[Fragony]

Errrr....... what?

If you mean Obama didn't deserve it then you might recall... I agree...

But still - what are you on about?

I called the UN the nobel peace prize of coalitions. Who takes it seriously anymore with all these nasty regimes being allowed in it, became too much and ended up being nothing at all. United Nations against Israel would be a more apropiate name.

[Subotan]

I called the UN the nobel peace prize of coalitions. Who takes it seriously anymore with all these nasty regimes being allowed in it, became too much and ended up being nothing at all.

Ugh, that reminds me of McCains proposal to have a "League of Democracy". Whether we like it or not, there are "bad" countries out there, and excluding them from the UN would only force them into a rival power bloc, Comecon/Central Powers/Axis style.

United Nations against Israel would be a more apropiate name.

Yes, because for the past 60 years, Israel has constantly been harassed and persecuted by every other country on the planet. How excellent that we can view things in proportion!

[Fragony]

Gah, we should stop treating their reality as a social experiment. The arabs will never accept a jewish state on 'íslamic soil;, never going to happen.

[CountArach]

I called the UN the nobel peace prize of coalitions. Who takes it seriously anymore with all these nasty regimes being allowed in it, became too much and ended up being nothing at all.

Open communication with regimes is incredibly important. We can't just go out guns blazing and kill all the bad guys in the world - we have to achieve something diplomatically.

[Subotan]

Gah, we should stop treating their reality as a social experiment.

Who says we are?

The arabs will never accept a jewish state on 'íslamic soil;, never going to happen.

Oh? Then why have Egypt and Jordan recognised Israel? They're more realistic than you are.

[Fragony]

Open communication with regimes is incredibly important.

For those regimes it really is, for us less so. There is really nothing to discuss, what shall we talk about, people disappearing, torture.

[CountArach]

For those regimes it really is, for us less so. There is really nothing to discuss, what shall we talk about, people disappearing, torture.

Yes. Yes indeed.

Try raising human rights with China without discussing human rights with China.