The Thirty Years War [Concluded]

[Double A]

I would dearly like to see that happen.




Thats what I suspected, so we should be cool. Whether he is willing to accept any compromise is another question.




Also, IBN, do you think My friend could join as another nation? I REALLY want to get him into the Gameroom, and this would be a good start.

France doesn't have much choice the way things are, either lose a lot of land now or lose a lot of land later. And the second one is more expensive.

And CDF, I'd be fine if your friend joins as the Crimean Khanate. Or maybe he could replace SSNeo who doesn't seem to be doing anything.

[Centurion1]

ssneo is doing stuff he builds at least one thing a turn and consistently steals hexes from you which is hilarious.

the crimean khante is a good idea, so would he be in an automatic alliance with double a

[Greyblades]

Oh god Saxony, your acting as uncharacteristically agressive as Subotan was please tell me your not planning on attacking someone randomly and plunging us into a pointless war again.

[Centurion1]

no im not threatining anyone, not even the heretic which i do on an average of at leasts every 7 posts here.

im just bored because ibn not on to give me my info but i wanna sdtick around and see if he does. so as a result im tactically analyzing your situation and saying what i think. the point is i dont care as ai suspect subotan is going to accept this little idea

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wait, Subotan is, or isn't going to accept?

[Double A]

No I mean SSNeo hasn't been on since the 8th. And you won't think it's so hilarious when my armies march into his capital.

Unless of course, he returns the 3 hexes. Then I'll just invade France or something.

[Centurion1]

Wait, Subotan is, or isn't going to accept?

well honey we aren't exactly sure because yah know he's banned and we don't really have much contact with him. now you just go back to making your character cards, or sleeping whichever is more important to you

as for you heathen.

yah i dont really care but i dont approve. plus we havent done anything since the 8th of december.

[Double A]

Hmm maybe someone could ask Tosa or GH instead of everyone speculating about it.

[scotchedpommes]

The common men and nobles of the Principality are alike, as the Prince himself, in good spirit. Myself, as representative of court? I am well this morn, and have been consistently monitoring affairs for some time.

Any concern is touching, but I will not need to be replaced.

[Double A]

So you've been lurking this entire time?

[scotchedpommes]

Matters to the West are not my concern at present, and far be it from me to detail my every meal for the would-be assassin or admirer whilst such pivotal events are taking place.

[Double A]

I'm in the west. And the south. And the east.

I think that should concern you.

[scotchedpommes]

A band of bumbling buffoons masquerading as an Empire? No, I would think that doesn't concern the Prince or his people in the slightest. Nor, it should be said, did your ill-considered threats and... bravado unsettle us when we initially approached your court, in good faith.

Tell me, as the Prince is eager to know - it reached us some time ago from a reliable source that young Osman soiled himself moments before the blade met his neck. Indeed, not one breath devoted to defiance, not one action taken with a view to self-preservation. Do all of you greet death in this manner?

[Double A]

ooc: My first two turns were super fail. I know already

[Centurion1]

heehee i like the trysalvanians they make the heathen look silly

[Double A]

Yes. Silly.

I hope you'll be laughing when we sack your cities, making it easier to do the job.

[Centurion1]

is that before or after you conquer the austrians?

[Double A]

Nah, we're cool now.

I think I'll burn Transylvania and then send about 10 armies through allied lands.

[Centurion1]

well seeing as how each of those armies is going to take you about two turns each to build i think i have some time to prepare

[Double A]

Believe what you want Infidel, your country will one day see the light of Islam!

[Centurion1]

more like a dim glow........

[Double A]

Your insolence bores me. Go burn in the fires of hell for all I care.

[Beskar]

Netherlands will offer aid to Translyvanian soveriegnity if the Ottoman Empire declares war on them.

[Double A]

If I declare war, it will be to get back my land. How far I go into Transylvania depends on how much they piss me off.

[Subotan]

I'm back. I got banned for three days, for the crime of having an alt, even though it had been warned it the thread that you would only get banned if you caused trouble with them. Whatever, I'm back now, and I'm not pleased with how discussion has turned out. Although I can understand some of the positions some people have taken here due to my sudden and absence for an unknown amount of time, it's dismaying seeing how easily you've been led in by Spanish and Swiss silver tongues.

In all serious I had noticed he had been acting strangely recently he started out a aloof jerk who looked down his nose at me and pizza

I don't in any way. I'm just RPing.

but for the past few days he's been pretty immature.

Oh go boil your head, we've won, I have his capital,

Temporarily.

his forts are abandoned

Wrong.

his armies are all but gone

Wrong. I have several colossal stacks in certain forts/cities/ports.

He should be lucky that we are willing to let him have any land left over at all.

*Smirks*

Sorry, I just don't see it that way. You're using whatever excuse you can to declare war on Switzerland, who until now had been your friend. And Saxony as well. Was it your plan all along? I made peace with everyone in the west, with the intent of being your friend. Then I was betrayed by France. Now I am betrayed by England, and Saxony as well. You can describe what you've chosen to do as a forced action, but it was never such. It was, and still is a choice. No sale, and you're a terrible friend to declare war without even bothering to negotiate a peaceful conclusion to the war first. You never, ever suggested that if I didn't do as you suggested, you'd declare war.

You have to distance grudges and long friendships in diplomacy. Had this war ended quickly, I would have had no problem with returning to pleasant relations with you, and I still have no problem.

Even the most morally bankrupt dictators give demands before declaring war. You're worse than barbarians who demand tribute before raping and pillaging. You have no civility, no decency, and no honor..

You've been too aggressive. Inadvertently, you have threatened Saxony by wanting to destroy France. Saxony is acting in possible, pre-emptive self defence.

Switzerland I am more than willing to give you the rights to Savoy as well as the rights to ... Northern France.

wat

Perhaps the King of France could be deposed?.

Perhaps not.

I too have a friend who would love to join this game so if no one else can get a replacement for Mr. Banned ill get my boy to do it.

Put him in as Georgia or something. Nice balance between Russia and Ottomans. Or perhaps a Papal States/Italian Kingdom, as a Franco-Spanish buffer?

I spoke to the Swiss in private who is speaking on their behalf of the Alliance, I also spoken to Britain in private as well. All it needs is rubberstamping from France.

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I'm not rubber stamping anything, especially not that. That is an outrageous proposal.

its really not that strange

cdf wants a buffer, france is that buffer

France is not a buffer. If you reduce France to that level, you'll find yourself wishing that you hadn't eventually.

All in all, none of the proposals mentioned here are satisfactory. Admittedly, my Capital has fallen, but with English intervention, this should only be temporary. Likewise, I appear weaker than I actually am, because I have numerous armies which have not engaged for a few turns, either due to chance, or design. Certainly, my position is not bad enough so that any of the treaties shown above are proportional. However, I would be willing to concede a treaty which returns my state to it's original borders, including Savoy (Since that was inherited by the Savoyard state, and is now an integral part of France). I would like to remind everyone present that this would result in a strategic failure to France, as I would have failed to prevent Swiss influence from expanding into Italy. I have no money to pay reparations, and regardless of how much Spain is rabbiting on about paying 100,00 gold or whatever, I have paid more.

[Splitpersonality]

I have kept my tongue held for a bit on this issue, but it has come ot the point where I must speak.

I would like to strongly urge the Swiss and Spanish to end their aggressions towards France, I simply do not understand what you have to gain from it, aside from land (you greedy *mumbles* ) and I will not stand idly by as a great european power is reduced to half, or less, it's size because some tiny nation thinks it is proper to do such.

I understand the plight regarding monetary problems, but if you do not take steps towards a reasonable peace you will only expend tenfold what you have done so far.

@Beskar:
That deal is preposterous, and I seriously hope you can rework that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The war shall continue then. It is outrageous that I be forced into a white peace with an aggressor nation who is losing the war.

As for me being "too aggressive", that's bull coming from the nation who started the war. Don't throw rocks at the wasp's nest next time.

[Subotan]

Finally, someone is talking some sense. Poland seems to be the only one without a vested interest, and thus can clearly see how ridiculous Spain and Switzerland's plans are

The war shall continue then. It is outrageous that I be forced into a white peace with an aggressor nation who is losing the war.

Pot, meet kettle.

As for me being "too aggressive", that's bull coming from the nation who started the war. Don't throw rocks at the wasp's nest next time.

A more appropriate analogy would be to say that I attempted to erect a barrier between the wasp nest and my friend's house, and I got stung whilst setting it up.

[Beskar]

That deal is preposterous, and I seriously hope you can rework that.

That is as generous as the Spanish and Swiss agreed to go.

[slashandburn]

Fance is caught between the frying pan and the fire. He cannot or will not accept the deal but as it looks from us here in the far east, he is SOL.