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    Default Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    The title is self-explanatory, most houserules I have seen are for Rome, lets have one for the mighty Strategos of the Hellenistic world.

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    That being said, I look forwards to actually benefit from your wisdom.
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    Default Re: Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    For Epeiros or Makedonia I usually have these armies.

    Royal:

    1x Somatophylakes Strategou
    2x Chaonion Agema/Argyraspides
    4x Pezhetairoi
    2x Prodromoi
    2x Molosson Agema/Hetairoi
    2x Toxotai Kretikoi/other elite archers
    2x Sphendonetai
    2x Thorakitai/Thureophoroi
    2x Agrianikoi Pelukophoroi
    1x Elephantes Indikoi/Hypaspistai

    Standard:

    2x Somatophylakes Strategou
    6x Pezhetairoi
    2x Prodromoi
    2x Lonchophoroi Hippeis
    2x Toxotai/Toxotai Kretikoi/Thureophorontes Toxotai
    2x (Rhodioi) Sphendonetai
    2x Agrianikoi Pelukophoroi
    2x Thorakitai/Thureophoroi

    Gallo-Thracian [Epirote only]:

    2x Celtic General
    4x Taxeis Triballoi
    4x Galathraikes
    2x Hoplitai Keltohellenikoi
    2x Sotaroas
    2x Ioasotae
    2x Leuce Epos
    2x Brihentin

    Helleno-Illyrian [Epirote only]:

    2x Somatophylakes Strategou
    4x Phalangitai Deuteroi
    2x Illyrioi Thureophoroi
    2x Hoplitai
    2x Sphendonetai
    4x Illyrioi Hippeis
    2x Prodromoi
    2x Toxotai

    Houserules:

    - One needs a casus belli to attack another faction
    - Ceasefires should be accepted.
    - The general that has conquered a city should stay there until a stable government has been established.
    - The line of kingship goes by males. Should the last King have no son, then his closest male relative (of the royal line) will be announced King.
    - One should always show respect and tolerance when conquering Greek cities.
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    AS army composition rules:

    There are only 3 units of TAB in the entire Arche at any given time. Two are assigned to the Basileus, and one goes to the Kleronomos B. NO EXCEPTIONS, also, when the Bas. dies, his units must be disbanded and a new 2nd unit trained for the new Bas., and a new unit trained for the Heir. The same rule applies for Hypaspistai, except the numbers are doubled.

    Elephants can only be a part of Royal Armies or the Satrap of India's army (must have the ancillary)

    Hetairoi (includes the "Aspidophoroi" version) can only be used in Royal Armies and armies commanded by generals with the "Hetairos" trait. All non-qualified generals must use Lonchophoroi and Hippakontistai or local units with the same role.

    Kataphraktoi can only be used by Generals who have completed at least one campaign in the East (the King and Heir are exempt from this rule).

    No more than 1/3 of any army's Phalanx line can be composed of Argyraspidai and Pezhetairoi. The rest must be Klerouchoi and/ or Pantodapoi Phalangitai.

    Khuveshavagan, Pahlavan Horse archers, and Mada Asabara are reserved for the Satraps of Parthava, Media, and Persia. Shipri Tukul are reserved for the Satrap of Babylonia. (Must have the respective ancillary.)

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    Default Re: Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    My former Carthage house-rules:

    - Always helped the romans to conquer south italy and start conquering sicily (Even gave them sardinia and corsica for free around 230 BC)
    - Never attacked the roman mainland in any other way that carthage actually did.
    - Left the inland African provinces alone, never conquered them, in time perhaps only the coastal ones
    - left the ptolys alone, and just defended against them
    - tryed to have most of my army in spain, and have long wars with the tribes there, but not conquer to much of the peninsula...
    - Had always a very strong navy, at least until i lost sicily

    hm.... should have posted this on the other thread... Oh well
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    Default Re: Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    Quote Originally Posted by MerlinusCDXX View Post
    AS army composition rules:

    There are only 3 units of TAB in the entire Arche at any given time. Two are assigned to the Basileus, and one goes to the Kleronomos B. NO EXCEPTIONS, also, when the Bas. dies, his units must be disbanded and a new 2nd unit trained for the new Bas., and a new unit trained for the Heir. The same rule applies for Hypaspistai, except the numbers are doubled.

    Elephants can only be a part of Royal Armies or the Satrap of India's army (must have the ancillary)

    Hetairoi (includes the "Aspidophoroi" version) can only be used in Royal Armies and armies commanded by generals with the "Hetairos" trait. All non-qualified generals must use Lonchophoroi and Hippakontistai or local units with the same role.

    Kataphraktoi can only be used by Generals who have completed at least one campaign in the East (the King and Heir are exempt from this rule).

    No more than 1/3 of any army's Phalanx line can be composed of Argyraspidai and Pezhetairoi. The rest must be Klerouchoi and/ or Pantodapoi Phalangitai.

    Khuveshavagan, Pahlavan Horse archers, and Mada Asabara are reserved for the Satraps of Parthava, Media, and Persia. Shipri Tukul are reserved for the Satrap of Babylonia. (Must have the respective ancillary.)
    I think I shall steal these ones for my upcoming AS campaign. Thank you.

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    Default Re: Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    I think I shall steal these ones for my upcoming AS campaign. Thank you.
    That is why I created these three threads, so we can share experiences and get inspired by each other.

    Eventually they could be summarised and moved to the Gameplay and AAR section is my thought.
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    House Rules? You're stuck at normal and high taxes. No low or very high after you get a decent economy going.
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    Default Re: Houserules and self-imposed limitations- Strategos

    ah, here I do have houserules, mostly for army regulation (note: all these armies are raised in steps, in up to 100 turns, so as not to break the treasury):

    a-arche seleukeia:

    army: 2 armies; one east, one west.

    western one:

    1xstartegos
    2xthorakitai
    1xElephantes Kataphraktoi
    5xPezhetairoi
    1xArgyraspides
    2xToxotai Kretekoi or Thanvare Parsig (regularly rotated)
    2xHetairoi or 1 Kataphraktoi and 1 Hetairoi
    1xslinger
    2xprodromoi
    1xsiege weapon
    1xHypaspistes
    1xPeltastai Makedoniko

    total: 24 units (20 in the main army, 4 rotated reserves (cavalry and archers)


    eastern one:

    1xstrategos
    2xPeltastai
    4xhorse archers
    1xelephantes indikoi
    4xthanvare parsig or those extra long range archers.
    4xPezhetairoi
    2xHetairoi or 2 Kataphraktoi
    2xprodromoi or other cavalry.

    total: 20 units.

    as you can see, they differ dramatically, in accordance with who they have to fight. I usually gut my garrison armies to afford all this, but I think its necessary to deal with the enemies at hand-especially in Alexander AI, which is used for EB. I'm good with money, so I often raise 10,000 mnai on the first turn with ease, and in my current campaign I make 20,000 a year.


    b-Makedonia:

    1xstrategos
    2xhetairoi
    2xprodromoi
    1xhypaspistai
    1xpeltastai mekedonikoi
    5xpezhetairoi
    2xagrianikoi pelekophoroi
    2xtoxotai kretikoi
    2xpeltastai
    1xsiege weapon
    1xthureophoroi

    total: 20 units


    c-Ptolemioi

    1xstrategos
    2xklerouchoi cavalry
    1xklerouchikon agema
    5xpezhetairoi (or 4 pezhetairoi and 1 galatikoi klerouchoi)
    2xtoxotai kretikoi
    2xthorakitai
    1xelephantes
    2xpeltastai
    1xsiege
    2xprodromoi
    1xgalatikoi klerouchoi

    total: 20

    outside of these three factions, I generally avoid hellenistic/hellenic factions. I rack up the taxes for the first 150 turns, so as to make money for the longest time. I also tax according to region and happiness, and have in fact been able to pacify my outlying provinces (lowest tax, add garrison, built sewers). so far, haven't lost a provence in my AS campaign.
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