Warned for "Jesus"

[Ludens]

Maybe I did overreact. That's why I wrote you could ask TosaInu. It's under discussion now, but... I think you too are overreacting by complaining in the Watchtower when the moderators have had less than an hour to look into it. And where did I write I am a Christian?

[lobf]

Maybe I did overreact. That's why I wrote you could ask TosaInu. It's under discussion now, but... I think you too are overreacting by complaining in the Watchtower when the moderators have had less than an hour to look into it. And where did I write I am a Christian?

I'm just following every course of action available to me to correct this. I want everyone to know about this also, because I'm pretty sure the general public would take my side.

And you didn't -say- you were a Christian, but nobody else would get upset at a "profane" use of his name (as you said in your PM) Am I wrong?

[Monk]

We do things a bit differently here. You don't need a public appeal or get the people on your side to get a warning overturned as all warnings (or infractions) can be appealed in private with the moderator who infracted you or the big red TosaInu. We're an understanding bunch. And we don't bite.*

We mods acknowledge that we're human and that sometimes we make mistakes. Most of us however prefer the PM route as a matter of courtesy.



*Well, except Martok. He bites. But he can't help it being a Klingon and all.

[lobf]

We do things a bit differently here. You don't need a public appeal or get the people on your side to get a warning overturned as all warnings (or infractions) can be appealed in private with the moderator who infracted you or the big red TosaInu. We're an understanding bunch. And we don't bite.*

We mods acknowledge that we're human and that sometimes we make mistakes. Most of us however prefer the PM route as a matter of courtesy.



*Well, except Martok. He bites. But he can't help it being a Klingon and all.

I didn't know how this process was going to go down, so I figured just get it all out of the way at once.

[pevergreen]

I want everyone to know about this also, because I'm pretty sure the general public would take my side.

Bollocks.




Now that I've channelled that:

This is not TWC, or anything else like that. The public opinion does not reign supreme.

I inherently take the other side, based on the fact you went public with this within an hour?

You are using the name of Christ in vain, this can be offensive to people, therefore not welcome.

It matters not if Ludens finds it offensive. We treat the org as safe for everyone of the ages 8+. Ideally 13, but people as young as 8. Would you want to be 'swearing' in front of an eight year old kid?

Around here the f-bomb is used more than please or thank you, but that doesnt make it ok to post it here.

[lobf]

Bollocks.




Now that I've channelled that:

This is not TWC, or anything else like that. The public opinion does not reign supreme.

I inherently take the other side, based on the fact you went public with this within an hour?

You are using the name of Christ in vain, this can be offensive to people, therefore not welcome.

It matters not if Ludens finds it offensive. We treat the org as safe for everyone of the ages 8+. Ideally 13, but people as young as 8. Would you want to be 'swearing' in front of an eight year old kid?

Around here the f-bomb is used more than please or thank you, but that doesnt make it ok to post it here.

I wasn't "swearing." I would be perfectly comfortable saying "Jesus" around an 8 year old. .

[A Very Super Market]

Isn't the bottom line that if someone can be offended, then it isn't allowed? Big world.

[lobf]

Isn't the bottom line that if someone can be offended, then it isn't allowed? Big world.

You offend me.


In all seriousness, if it offends the guy, he can talk to me about it, and why it offends him. To formally warn me is out of line, since it's a very subjective interpretation of what I was saying, and not at all my intention.

If he had simply told me it offends him and asked me not to do it again, I absolutely would have listened. Now I'm just incensed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You offend me.


In all seriousness, if it offends the guy, he can talk to me about it, and why it offends him. To formally warn me is out of line, since it's a very subjective interpretation of what I was saying, and not at all my intention.

If he had simply told me it offends him and asked me not to do it again, I absolutely would have listened. Now I'm just incensed.

Think of the org as your english class and the moderators as your english teacher, aka that guy who marks up your paper for all your misplaced apostrophes and silly semantics. Yes, he's being overly picky, but who else would you have as an english teacher but someone who is picky about language?

[econ21]

In all seriousness, if it offends the guy, he can talk to me about it, and why it offends him. To formally warn me is out of line, since it's a very subjective interpretation of what I was saying, and not at all my intention.

If he had simply told me it offends him and asked me not to do it again, I absolutely would have listened. Now I'm just incensed.

Deciding what is offensive speech and what is not, IS subjective and each moderator makes his or her own judgements. There is no objective book listing what may and may not be said on an internet forum - staff here have to make their own value judgements, although informed by shared experience and discussions with other staff. That does not mean everything they give warnings for offends them personally.

From the perspective of an ex-moderator, one thing you could bear in mind is that staff have a very useful forum tool for warning posters that makes it preferable to using a PM for a variety of reasons - it is quick, automatically quotes the offending text and keeps a record that all staff can consult. Now I understand that receiving a PM marked "warning" can appear incendiary, but as Banquo's Ghost said really it is little more than asking you not to do it again. When I was a mod, I initially tried to use PMs at one stage for mild cases like this, but eventually decided it was more trouble than it was worth and switched to warnings.

One reason for the warning may be that that starting a put down with the word "Jesus" is potentially incendiary and may inflame the debate. Your casual mild profanities (effin, the s-word) in this thread also are a style of posting that risks raising the temperature. Moderators are rather like firemen and try to stop careless users setting fire to our nice polite Org. I suspect you got warned for dropping a smouldering cigarette on the floor.

[Monk]

I wasn't "swearing." I would be perfectly comfortable saying "Jesus" around an 8 year old. You guys are effin nuts.

Clearly. It hasn't stopped you from using obscenities in this thread either, if it's genuine discussion on the status of your warning you are wishing to achieve then perhaps such language is best left out.

[lobf]

Clearly. It hasn't stopped you from using obscenities in this thread either, if it's genuine discussion on the status of your warning you are wishing to achieve then perhaps such language is best left out.

What?? What language?

[Monk]

What?? What language?