Warned for "Jesus"

[Aemilius Paulus]

Wait, whaaa?? What nationality is Ludens?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Wait, whaaa?? What nationality is Ludens?

Anyone?

I had to move up my question, since this is now the second page... And yes, others noted, I never realised Ludens was not a native speaker. I mean, his style of writing seemed to indicate inborn fluency. Non-native speakers usually write better, but it is noticeable in the syntax as well as other factors which country they come from.

[pevergreen]

Not all of us use 30 posts per page.

*basks in the glorious radience that is 80 posts per page.*

[A Very Super Market]

Sweet. High five.

Mafia threads run on for way too long though....

[Jolt]

Indeed, I agree with lobf. Recieving a warning for saying Jesus is nothing short of ridiculous. I too would be completely pissed off were I in lobf's shoes. What if I'm an hellenist and someone says "By Zeus!" should they get a warning as well? What about if I was a Buddhist, people wouldn't be allowed to exclaim "Buddha!"?

I was aware that this wasn't a democracy but to go as far as warning a person for using a name, that seems a little Theocrat-leaning.

My 2 cents.

[lobf]

Indeed, I agree with lobf. Recieving a warning for saying Jesus is nothing short of ridiculous. I too would be completely pissed off were I in lobf's shoes. What if I'm an hellenist and someone says "By Zeus!" should they get a warning as well? What about if I was a Buddhist, people wouldn't be allowed to exclaim "Buddha!"?

I was aware that this wasn't a democracy but to go as far as warning a person for using a name, that seems a little Theocrat-leaning.

My 2 cents.

Jeez, about time. (Is Jeez okay?? It's short for Jesus, I think. Oh no!)

I think it would be worth noting that lobf was issued with a warning PM, not an infraction point.

This carries no penalty, merely recording the post and moderator's note.

These used to be called Alerts, which despite the gentler name, also tended to cause those so inclined to over-react.

It's a formal PM, that's all. When you get a warning, or even a infraction point (which does have consequences) with which you disagree, the best start is to PM the moderator. You're much more likely to get a misunderstanding over-turned.

Also, members should note the context in which a warning/infraction is given. The one word or post of itself may seem within the rules, but may be indicative of an aggressive tone throughout a thread, which, taken as a whole, the moderator feels is disrespectful or otherwise unwelcome.

A warning PM would be entirely sensible in these circumstances, because they certainly get read.

I don't care what it technically means. I was officially warned for some nonsense, commonly used exclamation. It should be rescinded because it is not any kind of violation of policy. That is not an offensive phrase unless you have a personal bias towards Christianity.

God, this thread is funny

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This guy better get an official warning too, or else I call BS.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Oh for crying out loud, it was just a PM?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Not all of us use 30 posts per page.

*basks in the glorious radience that is 80 posts per page.*

Thirty is the default . Most people keep it, even if they are aware of the possibility to change it.


So, the question remains, what nationality is Ludens?

Indeed, I agree with lobf. Recieving a warning for saying Jesus is nothing short of ridiculous. I too would be completely pissed off were I in lobf's shoes. What if I'm an hellenist and someone says "By Zeus!" should they get a warning as well? What about if I was a Buddhist, people wouldn't be allowed to exclaim "Buddha!"?

I was aware that this wasn't a democracy but to go as far as warning a person for using a name, that seems a little Theocrat-leaning.

Hmmm, when looking it from this viewpoint, the infraction is indeed utterly preposterous. Christian bias it is, and Ludens does not have to be Christian to assert such bias. We live in a culture shaped by Christianity and holdovers remain aplenty. I bet a dollar for doughnut Ludens would have not given an infraction for "by Allah!" or "by Brahma!"

(since Buddha is not at all a deity in the vast majority of the forms of Buddhism and since "by Zeus!" was not considered blasphemy in the Antiquity, I had to choose better examples to illustrate the point ).

However, yes, lobf could have been more polite about it... And anyway, I thought the infraction was for mainly the perceived "cut-off" , or uncouth nature of lobf's remark to Fluvius and not because of the Jesus reference...

[bovi]

Noone has any right to ask Ludens his nationality or any other personal information which is not volunteered.

For the record, I do not think the original thing warrants a warning. I think I may have used the same or similar signs of exasperation multiple times myself, but will try to avoid this in the future.

[Husar]

Noone has any right to ask Ludens his nationality or any other personal information which is not volunteered.

WRONG!

Everybody has the right to ask Ludens about his nationality or any other personal information as long as it does not turn into harassment and Ludens in turn has the right not to answer any of it.

Darwin, banning people from asking that is like saying you don't have the right to post in lobf's thread unless he gave you written permission, this is a community and not a secret meeting of secret service members. I've asked some people about personal stuff and if they don't answer it it that's perfectly fine and makes them look like grumpy old men.

As to the actual topic, it seems a bit over the top, I've read "jeez" here quite a few times and my guess has always been that "jeez" developed as some form of "Jesus". I think it would just be fair though to keep the warning for this thread and the language he uses in it.
As Pever and others pointed out, lobf violates some rules right here in this thread, swear words shall not be blanked out just partly but completely, for example.

[pevergreen]

As Pever and others pointed out, lobf violates some rules right here in this thread, swear words shall not be blanked out just partly but completely, for example.

As we can see in the above quote, Husar breaks the most strict rule of all here on the .org.

[bovi]

WRONG!

Everybody has the right to ask Ludens about his nationality or any other personal information as long as it does not turn into harassment and Ludens in turn has the right not to answer any of it.

Sorry for bad choice of words. Replace ask with demand.

[Prince Cobra]

Hmmm, when looking it from this viewpoint, the infraction is indeed utterly preposterous.

From another viewpoint, it can be even a violation of the Ten Commandments and considered to be offensive. Cursing is tricky and it will not be a bad thing to avoid it. This is a good example. Once again, religious issues are delicate topics.

Lobf made his point clear and it'd be good if he listens to the Ludens' advice and speaks with Tosa about his infraction points. And perhaps to consider changing his title beneath his user name. No offense but I find it to be slightly preposterous (though he is annoyed).

[Banquo's Ghost]

I think it would be worth noting that lobf was issued with a warning PM, not an infraction point.

This carries no penalty, merely recording the post and moderator's note.

These used to be called Alerts, which despite the gentler name, also tended to cause those so inclined to over-react.

It's a formal PM, that's all. When you get a warning, or even a infraction point (which does have consequences) with which you disagree, the best start is to PM the moderator. You're much more likely to get a misunderstanding over-turned.

Also, members should note the context in which a warning/infraction is given. The one word or post of itself may seem within the rules, but may be indicative of an aggressive tone throughout a thread, which, taken as a whole, the moderator feels is disrespectful or otherwise unwelcome.

A warning PM would be entirely sensible in these circumstances, because they certainly get read.

[CountArach]

God, this thread is funny

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Jolt]

Thirty is the default . Most people keep it, even if they are aware of the possibility to change it.


So, the question remains, what nationality is Ludens?


Hmmm, when looking it from this viewpoint, the infraction is indeed utterly preposterous. Christian bias it is, and Ludens does not have to be Christian to assert such bias. We live in a culture shaped by Christianity and holdovers remain aplenty. I bet a dollar for doughnut Ludens would have not given an infraction for "by Allah!" or "by Brahma!"

(since Buddha is not at all a deity in the vast majority of the forms of Buddhism and since "by Zeus!" was not considered blasphemy in the Antiquity, I had to choose better examples to illustrate the point ).

However, yes, lobf could have been more polite about it... And anyway, I thought the infraction was for mainly the perceived "cut-off" , or uncouth nature of lobf's remark to Fluvius and not because of the Jesus reference...

First, Portugal is a Catholic country, and even in my country, devout Christians use "Jesus!" as an exclamation work.
The point behind going into "religious" insults is why should some beliefs take precedence over others? As you well pointed out, if he had said "By Brahma" or something of the sort, nobody would have been warned? If I belonged to a sect where people worship my divinity (Which already exists btw) where while I'm Jolt, only I am allowed to be called Jolt by myself, other people most call me "Most Enlightened Being", and anything less than that would make me profoundly offended, would those people calling me Jolt or something else be issued warning points?

Unless its clearly a discriminatory attack on one religion, I hardly see how one can recieve warnings from something religious-related that isn't either scandalous and can't be manipulated to prevent people from saying basically anything.

[caravel]

I thought this thread was about someone called "Jesus" getting a warning.