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Thread: 15 Year Old Gang Raped as 20 Watch
Beskar 07:32 10-28-2009
I watched a film, apparently, you can watch a crime being done and not be charged. Only if you assisted in any shape or form, such as shouting taunts/cheering, blocking the path, and other things, then you can be charged.

There was also a very high profile crime where a girl was murdered in the street, and there were a bunch of wittinesses, however, no one reported it to the police, some one a block away who heard it did.

All sorts of things.

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Cute Wolf 09:11 10-28-2009
The sickest guess: Maybe some of them is recording that rape with their video-cellphone.....

That's why they didn't report it because they enjoy it......

Lower than animals.....

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Louis VI the Fat 11:43 10-28-2009
When I read the title, I thought this was another Paris thread.


The witnesses aren't witnesses to a crime at all. They are active participants in a crime. Their presence egged on the perpetrators to go ahead. They were the audience, while the perpetrators performed the show. These people knew what this was all about. The police is a bit naive here, I think, with little understanding of modern subculture.

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Fragony 11:48 10-28-2009
Violence is scary, and the more people are watching the more likely it is that nobody acts, diffusion of responsibility. Goes the other way around as well, a group of ten isn't dangerous, a group of 3 is.

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Hax 12:20 10-28-2009
Originally Posted by :
Lower than animals.....
Please, they are just humans. That is exactly what humans are all about. Animals don't find joy in the suffering of others. Apparently, we do.

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This is sickening, and I hope the police 'll catch anyone that was involved.

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Viking 12:49 10-28-2009
Originally Posted by Hax:
Animals don't find joy in the suffering of others.
Ever heard or seen a cat playing with a mouse? A killer whale with a half dead, young seal? Anyway, it's tangential to the topic.

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Fragony 13:02 10-28-2009
Originally Posted by Hax:
Please, they are just humans. That is exactly what humans are all about. Animals don't find joy in the suffering of others. Apparently, we do.
Oh really http://www.bol.com/nl/p/boeken/van-n...244/index.html <-good read, does assume a minimum of understanding of psychology but it's perfectly readable.

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Hax 13:35 10-28-2009
Good and evil are pretty much useless when it comes to animals. Is a lion bad for killing a giraffe?

We shouldn't judge the behaviour of animals in our own words.

Originally Posted by :
Ever heard or seen a cat playing with a mouse? A killer whale with a half dead, young seal? Anyway, it's tangential to the topic.
Well yeah, sure, but can we use the words good and evil? Does the whale/cat realize what they're doing? I don't think so. I might be wrong, though.

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Seamus Fermanagh 16:10 10-28-2009
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
... These people knew what this was all about. The police is a bit naive here, I think, with little understanding of modern subculture.
Or, perhaps, the constraints imposed by laws and procedures prevent them from providing you with their "unvarnished" assessment of the "bystanders" involved. In general, our police tend to be well aware of most such things on a personal, if not an official, level.

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Lemur 16:22 10-28-2009
Originally Posted by Beskar:
There was also a very high profile crime where a girl was murdered in the street, and there were a bunch of wittinesses, however, no one reported it to the police, some one a block away who heard it did.
I think you're referencing Kitty Genovese. Famous case from the mid-sixties, caused nation-wide revulsion.

I can't even read articles like this. Or rather, I shouldn't. There's no point to getting myself worked up and rageful. Doesn't do me a bit of good.

All I can say is that I have personally intervened and helped stop crimes twice. The second time I was joined by another man who helped me pursue the criminal. (This was around 1 a.m. in a not-so-good part of Chicago, and the other man was a taxi driver who stopped when he heard the woman screaming.)

I can't do anything about gah-heads like the bystanders in the article, but I can do something when it's on my watch. And based on my (very) limited experience, there are good guys, and we outnumber the bad guys. So them.

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