How do I recruit Kretan Archers?

[Parmenion]

My faction (Makedon) has conquered Crete and I wondering if it was possible to actually train Kretan archers there rather than just hiring them as mercs.
What level of building do I need to do that? When I open the building browser it doesn't list the barracks line of buildings so I can't look to see what I need.

On the sam note, will I be able to train Spartan Hoplites in Sparta if I build the right barracks builidngs?

[Hotseat_User]

Cretan Archers with a lvl4 factional! mic

for the spartans, I think only KH can recruit them with a lvl5 fact. in sparta. - it's the only lvl5factional unit KH fields.

[Apázlinemjó]

You can train those archers on Crete as Makedonia, but you need a factional lvl 4 MIC for that, which means you have to have I. or II. government type.

[Jebivjetar]

I think you can't recruit Cretan archers at Crete (yeah, it's paradoxical, i know): but still you can recruit them in Antiocheia, but you'll need local, not factional barracs (lvl 4 or 5 AFAIK)

And no Spartan hoplites for Macedonia: they are KH factional troops

EDIT: Apázlinemjó is right i guess...

[Apázlinemjó]

I think you can't recruit Cretan archers at Crete (yeah, it's paradoxical, i know): but still you can recruit them in Antiocheia, but you'll need local, not factional barracs (lvl 4 or 5 AFAIK)

And no Spartan hoplites for Macedonia: they are KH factional troops

EDIT: Apázlinemjó is right i guess...

We have to obey the Recruitment Viewer!

[Jebivjetar]

I think you can't recruit Cretan archers at Crete (yeah, it's paradoxical, i know): but still you can recruit them in Antiocheia, but you'll need local, not factional barracs (lvl 4 or 5 AFAIK)

And no Spartan hoplites for Macedonia: they are KH factional troops

EDIT: Apázlinemjó is right i guess...

yeah, you're right.

i was answering with Pahlava in mind, because with Pahlava i recruited those Cretans with local MiC in Antiocheia... somtimes i mix stuff

[antisocialmunky]

There are two types of Cretan Archer BTW. KH have a cheaper inferior version.

[Grade_A_Beef]

Are the Kretans any good? Every time I play the Seleucids they seem to be outranged by most eastern archers and Syrians in particular. I don't bother with them at all as a result......but I have no statistic to check how long their range is. It just feels shorter, sorta like how Celtic slingers outrange many western slingers

[Macilrille]

Search the forum, there is a list of ranges and attack value somewhere. the Gameplay and AAR section also has a few good posts on archery.


Toxotai Kretakoi FTW!!!

[Grade_A_Beef]

Oh, I found it.

Huh, Kretans have a range of over 200, while Syrians only have 190 or so.....It must be because of experience points. That or I'm just biased against western archers...

Hey, at least I found the updated unit list

[Macilrille]

The guide(s) to archery is here.

I think soon we should gather the three main ones into one.

Edited to add that exp does not add range I think, merely attack and defence. You might be placed higher, the AI be stupid and charge with archers (I have seen that) or you are biased. Toxotai Kretakoi are machineguns.

[Fluvius Camillus]

The guide(s) to archery is here.

I think soon we should gather the three main ones into one.

Edited to add that exp does not add range I think, merely attack and defence. You might be placed higher, the AI be stupid and charge with archers (I have seen that) or you are biased. Toxotai Kretakoi are machineguns.

Yea inside nomad/barbarian/eastern towns, they can be quite devastating under the AI, but in the open field they are just a wasted recruitment slot for the AI...

~Fluvius

[seienchin]

Yeah, Archers are just broken in EB. They suck, using them is boring and takes time and the AI simply uses them without any effect. Maybe making them so weak wasnt a good idea

ＰＳ： I know its just my personal point of view, but atacking with huge stacks of heavy infatry is just so much more satisfing in EB than archery. And with archers you lose against an numerical superior opponent with good general. You are just dead. If you dont believe me play with Saba a campain.

[antisocialmunky]

They are quite strong when you're playing against other humans. The AI just sucks.

[athanaric]

Yeah, Archers are just broken in EB. They suck, using them is boring and takes time and the AI simply uses them without any effect. Maybe making them so weak wasnt a good idea

ＰＳ： I know its just my personal point of view, but atacking with huge stacks of heavy infatry is just so much more satisfing in EB than archery. And with archers you lose against an numerical superior opponent with good general. You are just dead. If you dont believe me play with Saba a campain.

Nope. Archers are just fine in EB. I'd even venture to say that Kretans are broken the other way, because of their mysteriously high range. And I've played more than one Saba campaign (at least two), though I haven't finished any of them yet (due to new patches/computer crash/...). Still I managed to dominate the Ptolies (as in: leave them with two desert provinces) and successfully push back the AS at the same time.
If you don't believe me, play Lusotannan, Casse, or Swêboz and visit some faction that prefers archers, like Pahlava. Good luck


As a side note, if you want 2hp-AP-HideAnywhere-SuperRange-Thermonuclear Archers of Doom for a change, you can download and play FATW (a very good mod) and click on faction "Elves".

[antisocialmunky]

Actually the heavy duelling archer types can seriously break the game if oyu play MP.

[Macilrille]

Yeah, Archers are just broken in EB. They suck, using them is boring and takes time and the AI simply uses them without any effect. Maybe making them so weak wasnt a good idea

ＰＳ： I know its just my personal point of view, but atacking with huge stacks of heavy infatry is just so much more satisfing in EB than archery. And with archers you lose against an numerical superior opponent with good general. You are just dead. If you dont believe me play with Saba a campain.

I refer you to the archery guide...

Archers are quite fun and effective if used right.

[Apázlinemjó]

Actually the heavy duelling archer types can seriously break the game if oyu play MP.

20 minutes archer battles...oh man...I miss the tournament.

[seienchin]

I refer you to the archery guide...

Archers are quite fun and effective if used right.

Damn it I am a EB veteran and I also played a pahvlan camapin all the way to egypt. But jesus the AI use of archers is just broken beyond believe.
The heavy duel type archers are really strong in multiplayer, but the Ai cant use them.
Anyway I also still refuse to think its possible to get 100 Arrows in your unprotected back and only 8 of 120 phalangitai die.
But anyway, for the Multiplayer Archers are good, for the single player:
The heaviest battles I had were against enemies not using archers at all. Seleuks with 6 units of cataphraktoi, 8 phalangitai and the rest thorakitai and the babylonian spearman is just way harder to beat, than an enemy with 6 phalangitai, 4 horse archers, 2 cataphraktoi and the rest a mix of archers and spearmen.
Oh by the way constructive thinking:
Reduce the range dramaticly and rise the deadliness.

[antisocialmunky]

20 minutes archer battles...oh man...I miss the tournament.

December - January.

[Moros]

Yeah, Archers are just broken in EB. They suck, using them is boring and takes time and the AI simply uses them without any effect. Maybe making them so weak wasnt a good idea

ＰＳ： I know its just my personal point of view, but atacking with huge stacks of heavy infatry is just so much more satisfing in EB than archery. And with archers you lose against an numerical superior opponent with good general. You are just dead. If you dont believe me play with Saba a campain.

I found the archer spearmen to be rather good. I hope you don't minder archers that much as archery will probably play a bigger role in EBII's sabaean armies.

[antisocialmunky]

Their slingers are already death. Why do they need better missiles :-p?

[NeoSpartan]

20 minutes archer battles...oh man...I miss the tournament.

I hate archers...... when playing as the Aedui I had to go with slingers and they were no match.

[Apázlinemjó]

I hate archers...... when playing as the Aedui I had to go with slingers and they were no match.

I was actually sarcastic, but oh hey. I hated the Cretan spam too when I was with Swebóz, I didn't have anything useful (which didn't perished in a minute) to counter them. But it was a different story with Pontos...