Which is best with EB alex or BI?

[lionhard]

Seems like the earlier topic on which is best to use was pointless because it doesnt seem to have gave me much info only different advantages and disadvantages, what does everyone prefere? this will give me and the public a better idea.

[Ludens]

Seems like the earlier topic on which is best to use was pointless because it doesnt seem to have gave me much info only different advantages and disadvantages, what does everyone prefere? this will give me and the public a better idea.

You want to know whether Alex or EB is best, but you do not consider the advantages and disadvantages of both useful info?

[Alexandros_III]

I just play the original.

[Atraphoenix]

I like playing EB on Alex.exe do you mean these?
For better AI, less CTD, and my best mods are written for it. Minimod Pack has no BI version at the moment.
An of course more models for me...

[Alexandros_III]

I dont have Alex, so Im just screwed.

[applebreath]

alex.exe is more stable. For that reason alone, you should use it.

The second best reason would be because the "mini"-mod-pack (WHICH SHOULD BE STICKIED) is for the alex version.

[Cute Wolf]

Well, first time I had the Alex, I play EB with Alex, less CTD, better ai, and somewhat better diplomacy.

But after proving the worth of shieldwall formations on BI (does wonder with non Sarissa Phalanx), and the Swimming ability too (stopping certain units to get a foolish death if carelessly walks over river / water), I've change my choice to BI, as they had more (albeit smaller in each force) naval invasion, night battles (belive me, pwning enemy troops one stack after one stack in the night, they'll got no reinforcements, is more realistic tactic any smart and capable commander will employ), and they has less CTD than vanilla RTW (but I must admit that Alex has really less CTD and faster loading time).

Both in BI and Alex, the AI does retrain their forces.... that's all, just choose what's best for you
(If you can't properlyu use shieldwall formation, you miss half of the BI's fun, and Alex is better if you dont like the shieldwall at all)

[Bucefalo]

In my opinion it comes down to this:

If you are after more challenging battle map battles, i would choose alex.
If you are after better campaign with naval invasions, and you like to use the features of BI (shieldwall, night battles and such) then choose BI.

I personally chose BI.

[applebreath]

Well, first time I had the Alex, I play EB with Alex, less CTD, better ai, and somewhat better diplomacy.

But after proving the worth of shieldwall formations on BI (does wonder with non Sarissa Phalanx), and the Swimming ability too (stopping certain units to get a foolish death if carelessly walks over river / water), I've change my choice to BI, as they had more (albeit smaller in each force) naval invasion, night battles (belive me, pwning enemy troops one stack after one stack in the night, they'll got no reinforcements, is more realistic tactic any smart and capable commander will employ), and they has less CTD than vanilla RTW (but I must admit that Alex has really less CTD and faster loading time).

Both in BI and Alex, the AI does retrain their forces.... that's all, just choose what's best for you
(If you can't properlyu use shieldwall formation, you miss half of the BI's fun, and Alex is better if you dont like the shieldwall at all)

Nice assessment of the situation.

But I do want to make clear that you can do night battles with alex. But yes, no shieldwall formations, :(.

I've never used BI, so I don't know much about shieldwall. But reading about it does make me wish I could use it (I only play as the romans). But still, ignorance can be bliss.

[Cute Wolf]

Nice assessment of the situation.

But I do want to make clear that you can do night battles with alex. But yes, no shieldwall formations, :(.

I've never used BI, so I don't know much about shieldwall. But reading about it does make me wish I could use it (I only play as the romans). But still, ignorance can be bliss.

Alex can do night battles? How? I've try to add night_battle enabled on the campaign, but I only got CTD as result.

[applebreath]

Alex can do night battles? How? I've try to add night_battle enabled on the campaign, but I only got CTD as result.

I'm not a big fan of Maksimus's mod, https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94861 (the campaign AI is destroyed by the fact that he made the rebels so strong), but he does give a nice step-by-step for how to play with Alex.

Or you could just play with the mod that I play with (it's actually about 16 mini mods), https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=105242.

for installation process; I followed RTW Gold > Alexander > EB 1.1 > 1.2 > official fixes > minimod pack > LZ3's script adaptation > phalanx mod > RS textures mod > naval strat mod > Lysander's sihunet formations adaptations > EOM 4 Carthaginian Governors Edition > Atraphoenix' RS Legions Adaptation for ALEXANDER EB. (I then modded the Roman reforms to happen sooner - I roleplay that I would do things better than the Romans did, :))

[Maksimus]

you dont have to play Eaem to have night battles, apple you have not read my thread

everyone can just download exe tweaks and play vanilla EB with Alx.exe AI

[G. Septimus]

Nice assessment of the situation.

But I do want to make clear that you can do night battles with alex. But yes, no shieldwall formations, :(.

I've never used BI, so I don't know much about shieldwall. But reading about it does make me wish I could use it (I only play as the romans). But still, ignorance can be bliss.

hah???? night battles???
well, Ican't do Night battles in alex, even after modding the files.

[applebreath]

night battles (belive me, pwning enemy troops one stack after one stack in the night, they'll got no reinforcements, is more realistic tactic any smart and capable commander will employ)

What are the benefits of night battles? Does your side get better command/stats/moral? Or is it that the enemy just can't get reinforcements, any others?

-Apple

[Ludens]

Maksimus, applebreath, take your arguments elsewhere please.

What are the benefits of night battles? Does your side get better command/stats/moral? Or is it that the enemy just can't get reinforcements, any others?

Only characters with the "night-fighter" trait can participate in night battles, so it prevents non-nightfighter led armies from reinforcing.

[applebreath]

Only characters with the "night-fighter" trait can participate in night battles, so it prevents non-nightfighter led armies from reinforcing.

But are there any penalties to the army being attacked at night or bonuses for the army attacking at night. Other than only commanders with the night trait can attack/reinforce.

[Cute Wolf]

the commander who could participate in night battle (barely a night fighter), get +1 command when fighting at night. everyone that participate in the night battle (except the one that was attacked - doesn't need to have night battle traits) will get additional command points. If really experienced in night battle (until gain Noctophiliac traits), get a bonus +3 to command at night, so it will effectively turn 6 star general into 10 star general when fighting at night.

[Ludens]

But are there any penalties to the army being attacked at night or bonuses for the army attacking at night. Other than only commanders with the night trait can attack/reinforce.

Not as far as I know, but I haven't played any campaigns with vanilla BI and did not enable night-battles in EB-BI. At night, flaming ammunition is on per default, but whether this has a reason or is simply for visual effect I could not say.