Windows 7

[Scutarii]

Anyone tried EB on windows 7?

Any issues?

[Foot]

I think one person has had a problem with the installer. Don't know if it was resolved, or if it had anything to do with Windows 7.

Foot

[Tellos Athenaios]

The EB installer should work in Windows 7.

However points worth noting:

1. The installer must run in 32bit mode (WoW64 on 64bit Windows) probably; the reason for this idea is that most installers are actually 16bit mini programs. If for some reason a 64bit Windows 7 is configured to disable WoW64 this is going to be a problem.
2. The installer may have to be run as Administrator.
3. If your processor supports it (bare metal hypervisors) and you have it installed there is XP mode. XP mode should be a viable option for running *TW games since these require pretty much zero in forms of features particular to Vista or 7 and do not integrate with the desktop anyway.
4. You must have hardware drivers that fit the driver model introduced for Vista (WDM 1.0); Vista allowed some XP driver work but apparently 7 does not permit it.
5. On 64bit Windows these drivers must be signed.

[SwissBarbar]

The EB installer should work in Windows 7.

However points worth noting:

1. The installer must run in 32bit mode (WoW64 on 64bit Windows) probably; the reason for this idea is that most installers are actually 16bit mini programs. If for some reason a 64bit Windows 7 is configured to disable WoW64 this is going to be a problem.
2. The installer may have to be run as Administrator.
3. If your processor supports it (bare metal hypervisors) and you have it installed there is XP mode. XP mode should be a viable option for running *TW games since these require pretty much zero in forms of features particular to Vista or 7 and do not integrate with the desktop anyway.
4. You must have hardware drivers that fit the driver model introduced for Vista (WDM 1.0); Vista allowed some XP driver work but apparently 7 does not permit it.
5. On 64bit Windows these drivers must be signed.

I will going to have Windows 7 64 Bit - because of the 6 Gigs of Ram. So I won't be able to play RTW or EB? Will EB II be for Win7? Why are these Points worth nothing? They sound quite convincing to me ^^ *panic*

[Tellos Athenaios]

I will going to have Windows 7 64 Bit - because of the 6 Gigs of Ram. So I won't be able to play RTW or EB? Will EB II be for Win7? Why are these Points worth nothing? They sound quite convincing to me ^^ *panic*

They are points worth noting: i.e worth taking notice of/scribbling on a note...

None of those points should actually prevent you from getting stuff installed & running* -- unless WoW64 is entirely unavailable on your 64bit Windows system which I have not yet heard of: AFAIK it is merely turned -off- by default. Just like how Windows Vista ships with IIS 6, or support for LPD/LPR printing (useful when printing using a printer connected to your router) but you have to turn it on through the control panel in order to use it first.

*Unless it is your hardware in which case you are going to be sufficiently stuffed on the desktop that you won't even bother installing RTW/EB first before fixing that. Stuffed as in a 600x480 screen with a single window by default requesting 1024x768 or more so you cannot even make that Window smaller. Did I mention yet how utterly wonderful out-of-the-box Windows is?

[SwissBarbar]

They are points worth noting: i.e worth taking notice of/scribbling on a note...

None of those points should actually prevent you from getting stuff installed & running* -- unless WoW64 is entirely unavailable on your 64bit Windows system which I have not yet heard of: AFAIK it is merely turned -off- by default. Just like how Windows Vista ships with IIS 6, or support for LPD/LPR printing (useful when printing using a printer connected to your router) but you have to turn it on through the control panel in order to use it first.

*Unless it is your hardware in which case you are going to be sufficiently stuffed on the desktop that you won't even bother installing RTW/EB first before fixing that. Stuffed as in a 600x480 screen with a single window by default requesting 1024x768 or more so you cannot even make that Window smaller. Did I mention yet how utterly wonderful out-of-the-box Windows is?

Ah, well, that's quite a difference *G*

[XSamatan]

My copy comes this week, so on weekend I will try to get it to work and post the result here.
I heard that eventually the installer could cause problems.

XSamatan

[Skullheadhq]

Dunno, I got Win7 but didn't install EB yet, that's because I've got test week (14 tests in a week) and when I got EB, I can't get myself to learning

[antisocialmunky]

Just run it on the XP VM.

[Jormungand]

Have a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate, EB seems to work alright.

Although when I try opening the EB Trivialscript in Programs it doesn't seem to work... Actually, this could be an unrelated problem as I had to install EB twice

[Fluvius Camillus]

Dunno, I got Win7 but didn't install EB yet, that's because I've got test week (14 tests in a week) and when I got EB, I can't get myself to learning

Tentamenweek hier op de HBO, 3 gedaan nog 2 te gaan.

I will get Windows 7 in more than a week, of course the first thing I'm going to do when I get it is install EB. Then I'll report back here.

~Fluvius

[Skullheadhq]

Tentamenweek hier op de HBO, 3 gedaan nog 2 te gaan.

I will get Windows 7 in more than a week, of course the first thing I'm going to do when I get it is install EB. Then I'll report back here.

~Fluvius

Haha ja wat een narigheid

So it should work, someone who tried this can confirm it?

[iamphet]

I have Windows 7 x64 and EB runs just fine (RTW installed outside of c:\program files). Two anti-points:
1) I don't think most installers are 16-bit these days. Anyway, EB's one is 32 bit
2) I'm not sure XP mode is a viable solution because it isn't designed to support graphics-intensive applications.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well you tested.

EDIT: Reading up XP Mode a bit further it would appear to be closer to Virtual Box to-day and therefore not suitable for running RTW/EB (unless you do have a lot of hardware resources to work with and even then it would still be very suboptimal) as well as only being available on Win 7 Professional and more expensive.

The 16bit installer thing comes mostly the fact that they contain legacy code to probe the test machine and launch the actual 32bit installer.

Application Installation


Lack of support for 16-bit DOS, Windows, or OS/2 applications on 64-bit Windows presents a significant barrier to application installation programs, because they often use a 16-bit stub to check the machine type, then launch a 32-bit install engine to actually perform the installation.

To work around this problem, 64-bit Windows recognizes specific 16-bit installer programs and substitutes a ported 32-bit version. The list of substitutions is stored in the registry under the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\NtVdm64. There is built-in support for several installer engines, including InstallShield 5.x installers.

Note that the 64-bit Windows Installer can seamlessly install 32-bit MSI-based applications on 64-bit Windows.

Though it does mention the 16bit probes are automatically substituted on the fly with 32bit ones -- but that still requires WoW64.