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    Ok im using EB with alex and iv stil never seen casse move from the british isles into mainland europe and iv never seen the romans expand onto sardin or the other island. Also carthage use its full potential of naval might, well you all know what im getting at.

    Has any1 had a better AI expansive experience or will things like this never be possible? i mean can the romans if AI even reform if they dont take sardin an that other island? I want the best campaign experience, its just not happening :(
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    I've seen the AI do things, especially if you give it time.. BUT it does become very hard for the AI when it has to use ships to do those "things" and it just depends. Even in vanilla RTW, I've seen "casse" take over 20 territories..

    What mod are you playing? Or is it that you did the minimum to enable alex.exe play?
    Last edited by applebreath; 11-04-2009 at 23:28.
    Imo, the following "mod" is almost perfect:
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    For installation process, I followed the following: RTW Gold > Alexander > EB 1.1 > 1.2 > Official Fixes > 1.2 Mini Mod Pack 3.1 > LZ3's Custom EB Fix Adaptation > Phalanx Mod > RS Textures > Naval Strat Map Add On > Lysander's Sihunet Formations Adaptations > EOM 4 Carthaginian Governors Edition > Atraphoenix' RS Legions Adaptation For ALEXANDER EB > Getting Rid Of The Giant Trees Mod > (I've also modded the Roman reforms to happen sooner, deleted 7 files/folders to get rid of window lights and torches for night battles, and added 3 SKYMOD_BI .txt files for night lighting.) - The only thing missing is a 12 turns per year mod, maybe 6 tpy instead.

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    im using EB with alex, its better AI battles but where ships are used its basic movements not long voyges or movements that are based on good strategy, is their no other mods besides BI and alex that work better or rival them?
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    It could be that the AI is not able to use ships because of strong pirate fleets, espacially at the beginning of a campaign. I ususally notice some strong pirate boats but almost no faction fleets. In most campaigns it is also hard for me to ship my troops to other coasts, the pirate ships are hunting my poor boats after leaving the ports.
    Take are look on the map, there are usually very few faction fleets.

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    I don't know how he got there and when, but it's funny.
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    I also like the one isolated Hayasdan province.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó View Post
    I don't know how he got there and when, but it's funny.
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    Ahh now I see, it's sad that the FM is unable to take the settlement.
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    If u look carefully, the carthies often ship troops to and from Iberia. It's all done in a single turn tho, so it's hard to spot unless there's a specific FM tagging along. The opposite happens when The Luso (a lot rarer) takes Mastia/Tolosa. They try to grab Carthie island holdings, then (futile attempts at) africa. Similar things happen to the Epiros(Pyrrhos goes back for another go), KH (island hopping) and Ptolemaios (Cyprus).




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    Yeps, in my campaigns the Greeks especially invade. Though the army in Crete never does anything (what on earth is it doing there in the first place? In my Sweboz campaign I teleported it to Sparta to help defend against a Mac onslaught). But the AS did some sailing in my Roman one, especially in the Persian Gulf, sometimes against Saba, sometimes just for fun cruises it seems as they do nothing with the transported army.

    I use 1.1 with RTW Exe.

    But, though I see some little naval action, I would love to see more.
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    @ Apázlinemjó

    I noticed your screenshot. What graphics/textures are you using? What mod/s? It has a nice glossy look to it. I'm more referring to the bottom of the screenshot. The one that shows the buttons, army display, tabs, etc. Mine looks like the following, https://img294.imageshack.us/i/ebitalyfj9.jpg/.

    I like the textures/navy mini mods that I'm using, but it doesn't have as nice of a look to the bottom buttons/display as yours does. Is that what regular EB1.2 looks like?

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    Last edited by applebreath; 11-05-2009 at 17:01.
    Imo, the following "mod" is almost perfect:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    For installation process, I followed the following: RTW Gold > Alexander > EB 1.1 > 1.2 > Official Fixes > 1.2 Mini Mod Pack 3.1 > LZ3's Custom EB Fix Adaptation > Phalanx Mod > RS Textures > Naval Strat Map Add On > Lysander's Sihunet Formations Adaptations > EOM 4 Carthaginian Governors Edition > Atraphoenix' RS Legions Adaptation For ALEXANDER EB > Getting Rid Of The Giant Trees Mod > (I've also modded the Roman reforms to happen sooner, deleted 7 files/folders to get rid of window lights and torches for night battles, and added 3 SKYMOD_BI .txt files for night lighting.) - The only thing missing is a 12 turns per year mod, maybe 6 tpy instead.

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    Seems like regular EB 1.2 to me... the mod's rarely change this appearence (user interface UI). Seems to me you have the red (too much red for me- one of the motives I don not play with Rome) colours bause you are palying with the Roma faction. the one you founded beautifull is the greek UI.
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    Playing with BI i regularly see SPQR invasions of Corsica and Sardinia as well as Carthage shipping troops to iberia. Playing as Pontos I've had both the Maks and Epieros attack my capital (Amaseia) via naval invasion. I've never seen the Casse do anything like that though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leão magno View Post
    Seems like regular EB 1.2 to me... the mod's rarely change this appearence (user interface UI). Seems to me you have the red (too much red for me- one of the motives I don not play with Rome) colours bause you are palying with the Roma faction. the one you founded beautifull is the greek UI.
    Your right, it is a Roman thing. I loaded the "greek" faction and it looked the same as the display that I admired.

    But I only play as the Romans, :(.

    I wish they had a better looking display....
    Imo, the following "mod" is almost perfect:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    For installation process, I followed the following: RTW Gold > Alexander > EB 1.1 > 1.2 > Official Fixes > 1.2 Mini Mod Pack 3.1 > LZ3's Custom EB Fix Adaptation > Phalanx Mod > RS Textures > Naval Strat Map Add On > Lysander's Sihunet Formations Adaptations > EOM 4 Carthaginian Governors Edition > Atraphoenix' RS Legions Adaptation For ALEXANDER EB > Getting Rid Of The Giant Trees Mod > (I've also modded the Roman reforms to happen sooner, deleted 7 files/folders to get rid of window lights and torches for night battles, and added 3 SKYMOD_BI .txt files for night lighting.) - The only thing missing is a 12 turns per year mod, maybe 6 tpy instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by applebreath View Post
    Your right, it is a Roman thing. I loaded the "greek" faction and it looked the same as the display that I admired.

    But I only play as the Romans, :(.

    I wish they had a better looking display....
    Hope I do not offend anuone but I did not like the Romani UI either! too red for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leão magno View Post
    Hope I do not offend anuone but I did not like the Romani UI either! too red for me!
    Changing it's a fairly simple matter. Go into your EB/data/UI/ROMAN folder and rename the INTERFACE folder INTERFACE2. Then enter EB/data/UI/GREEK folder and copy the INTERFACE folder there over to EB/data/UI/ROMAN. You'll now have a Roman game with Greek UI. If you want to change it back, rename the interface folder you copied over from GREEK to ROMAN and then change the name of the original interface folder in ROMAN (The one that you renamed at the very beginning) back to INTERFACE. If done correctly, you'll get something like this:

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    Sorry for getting offtopic....
    Last edited by retep219; 11-12-2009 at 02:46. Reason: Spoiler tags stopped working....

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    Is that save game compatible? When you mod, when is it that you need to make copies in the sp backup folder? Like map.rwn or the others?

    Also, if we did what was suggested above, wont that change all the "interface" of Roman pics to Greek pics? What if I only wanted to change the area that shows what buildings/armies are in a spot and the area with the end of turn button, the map area too, if that is different? I don't want to change anything else.
    Imo, the following "mod" is almost perfect:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    For installation process, I followed the following: RTW Gold > Alexander > EB 1.1 > 1.2 > Official Fixes > 1.2 Mini Mod Pack 3.1 > LZ3's Custom EB Fix Adaptation > Phalanx Mod > RS Textures > Naval Strat Map Add On > Lysander's Sihunet Formations Adaptations > EOM 4 Carthaginian Governors Edition > Atraphoenix' RS Legions Adaptation For ALEXANDER EB > Getting Rid Of The Giant Trees Mod > (I've also modded the Roman reforms to happen sooner, deleted 7 files/folders to get rid of window lights and torches for night battles, and added 3 SKYMOD_BI .txt files for night lighting.) - The only thing missing is a 12 turns per year mod, maybe 6 tpy instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by applebreath View Post
    Is that save game compatible? When you mod, when is it that you need to make copies in the sp backup folder? Like map.rwn or the others?

    Also, if we did what was suggested above, wont that change all the "interface" of Roman pics to Greek pics? What if I only wanted to change the area that shows what buildings/armies are in a spot and the area with the end of turn button, the map area too, if that is different? I don't want to change anything else.
    I don't know about save game compatability--it should be, but it might not be. I do think it is, though. I'll test it later.... There is nothing in the sp game backup to delete, nor is the map.rwm effected. The GUI's skin just isn't deep enough into the program for something like this to be required. It's really surface stuff. I've tested it--you merely need to change the relevant files. As for your last question, the ONLY things that this changes (assuming you do it correctly and only replace the interface folder) are the interfaces you see in my screenshot and the corresponding interfaces in the battle UI. Nothing else.
    Last edited by retep219; 11-12-2009 at 05:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Playing with BI i regularly see SPQR invasions of Corsica and Sardinia as well as Carthage shipping troops to iberia. Playing as Pontos I've had both the Maks and Epieros attack my capital (Amaseia) via naval invasion. I've never seen the Casse do anything like that though.
    Yeah, I regularly see rome taking at least Corsica, if not always Sardinia. I haven't had rome win a punic war in a long time. Haven't seen the Ptolmies win the Syrian wars either in many, many games lately. Carthage is often landing armies at Capua and then taking the entire italic peninsula from there. Although the best was the MASSIVE naval invasion of greece by the carthies. 2 almost full stacks and one stack of 2 units landed at Sparta. But they just sat there making the land go black for ages.

    Interestingly even Arche Seleukeia is using navies alot. I have seen the town of Salamis taken almost every game quite early on. As the KH, I have been attacked at Kydonia and Rhodos by AS. And once saw an AS fleet land to the left of Alexandria and beseige it from there. Was unsuccessful but it broke the stalemate in the Gaza area and they just poured into Egypt.

    I use BI.exe. Always play with fog of war off cause its more fun to not micromanage my spies and I like to check up on the AI whenever I see a city on the map change colour. Also I have given all AI factions a Massive (250%) law bonus on their main core building so that they don't rebel. It also cancels out all corruption which seems to be giving the AI factions more money. They use navies a bit more perhaps? Of course the Casse do nothing and just sit there, sometimes not even uniting their island by 200BC.

    Does this answer the question of BI vs Alex...? Do I even want to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by retep219 View Post
    Changing it's a fairly simple matter. Go into your EB/data/UI/ROMAN folder and rename the INTERFACE folder INTERFACE2. Then enter EB/data/UI/GREEK folder and copy the INTERFACE folder there over to EB/data/UI/ROMAN. You'll now have a Roman game with Greek UI. If you want to change it back, rename the interface folder you copied over from GREEK to ROMAN and then change the name of the original interface folder in ROMAN (The one that you renamed at the very beginning) back to INTERFACE. If done correctly, you'll get something like this:

    Sorry for getting offtopic....
    Simple and nice!!! Thank you!!!
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