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Originally Posted by HoreTore:
......And that's exactly why I object to 6 months of "jail" for killing your own daughter.
No, because intent is important, hence the importance of the mens rea.......And that's exactly why I object to 6 months of "jail" for killing your own daughter.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
There is a very different intent there, these parents were not "neglectful" in the same since. They believed they were doing the right thing, the best thing. Intent must be taken into account.
There is a very different intent there, these parents were not "neglectful" in the same since. They believed they were doing the right thing, the best thing. Intent must be taken into account.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
No, because intent is important, hence the importance of the mens rea.
Intent would've made it worse, but this is still bad enough.No, because intent is important, hence the importance of the mens rea.
And yes they were neglectful in the same way. What the difference between food and medicine? What's the difference between being high on drugs and jesus?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Intent would've made it worse, but this is still bad enough.
And yes they were neglectful in the same way. What the difference between food and medicine? What's the difference between being high on drugs and jesus?
I dunno, what's the difference between being high on Jesus and being high on Socialism?Intent would've made it worse, but this is still bad enough.
And yes they were neglectful in the same way. What the difference between food and medicine? What's the difference between being high on drugs and jesus?
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
They believed they were doing the right thing, the best thing.
How can you possibly substantiate that?They believed they were doing the right thing, the best thing.
Originally Posted by jabarto:
How can you possibly substantiate that?
They believed God heals people, not medicine, so they prayed instead of going to a doctor.How can you possibly substantiate that?
Ergo, they tried to do the best thing. Prove otherwise, criminal cases presume innocence.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
They believed God heals people, not medicine, so they prayed instead of going to a doctor.
Ergo, they tried to do the best thing. Prove otherwise, criminal cases presume innocence.
Are you seriously arguing that these people were so isolated for their entire middle-aged lives that they couldn't have learned that even the most die-hard of fundmaentalists take their kids to the doctors?They believed God heals people, not medicine, so they prayed instead of going to a doctor.
Ergo, they tried to do the best thing. Prove otherwise, criminal cases presume innocence.
I'm not saying intent doesn't matter. I'm saying that every life form, no matter how primitive, has an instinctual urge to ensure that its offspring don't die. These people ignored that and thus have no excuse.
If they ware underprivilaged because of theri revenue then I truely understand the parents (in a way). In Romania we too have an excellent medical system.
If you have to pay to heal your child most parents chose "alternatives" even if sometimes those alternatives are wrong.
Their loss is more painfull than any sentance.
If you have to pay to heal your child most parents chose "alternatives" even if sometimes those alternatives are wrong.
Their loss is more painfull than any sentance.
Originally Posted by jabarto:
Are you seriously arguing that these people were so isolated for their entire middle-aged lives that they couldn't have learned that even the most die-hard of fundmaentalists take their kids to the doctors?
I'm not saying intent doesn't matter. I'm saying that every life form, no matter how primitive, has an instinctual urge to ensure that its offspring don't die. These people ignored that and thus have no excuse.
You are still assuming that the parents believed that modern medicine was better than prayer. It seems they actually believed that modern medicine evidences a lack of faith in God, which might therefore endanger their own, or their daughter's souls.Are you seriously arguing that these people were so isolated for their entire middle-aged lives that they couldn't have learned that even the most die-hard of fundmaentalists take their kids to the doctors?
I'm not saying intent doesn't matter. I'm saying that every life form, no matter how primitive, has an instinctual urge to ensure that its offspring don't die. These people ignored that and thus have no excuse.
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