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    Default Re: United Germany & The Beginning of the End for the Socialist System in Eastern Eur

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    I think most people would say that's like being in favor of students reporting their own test scores, but being against cheating. You have to show that the two aren't intrinsically tied together before you can excuse marx.
    No, the difference would be a facilitator instead of a teacher. Which arguably happens at University+ level anyway. (or in private schools/similar) The students still don't report their test scores at all and instead submitted to those who can validate the work.

    The whole regime and ideology is different, but it isn't absurd as you claim.

    Also, do you know that in communism, it isn't mean it is a state-planned economy either? There are still market forces of supply and demand? Amazing.

    Also, do you know that in a true communist society, it would be very pro-liberty, pro-rights and free-speech? There would actually be far-less laws (arguably, more regulation though)

    Also, businesses would be public owned, ran and operated by all those involved? Akin to Workers Councils/Soviets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_council)
    Marxists and some anarchists believe that workers' councils (communes) embody the fundamental principles of socialism, such as workers' control over production and distribution. Indeed, some have described this as "socialism from below," which they counterpose against what they see as "socialism from above" endorsed by Stalinism or (in the anarchist view) Leninism. According to this view, socialism from above is carried out by a centralized state run by an elite bureaucratic apparatus, whereas socialism from below represents the self-administration and self-rule of the working class.
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