How many people don't think of remembrance day as anything special? Why should we limit ourselves to November 11? Is it supposed to be "special" remembrance? I fail to see how sorrow can have varying amplitudes.
Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
How many people don't think of remembrance day as anything special? Why should we limit ourselves to November 11? Is it supposed to be "special" remembrance? I fail to see how sorrow can have varying amplitudes.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
- Proud Horseman of the Presence
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
In.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Unless there is a day dedicated to it many won't think about it at all. It is good to honour those who fell, and setting aside a day for it is a good thing to do. The second we start questioning it is the second we have forgotten.
Lest we forget.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Well, this is more of a backroom topic and it was being discussed in the "cheer up" thread.
I can't really see any strong arguments for or against it.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
On a serious note, as I mentioned in the other thread, I think that it's severely constrained by nationalism at this moment in time, and I think that we should drop the whole idea of remembering "Our Boys", and that we should commemorate the suffering of humanity in war as a whole, since that, and humour are the only things which truly unite us, IMHO.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Not every remembrance of those of your nation is nationalist (at least not in a bad way), and like it or not, "our boys" did die for our country and not others. I do honour the dead of more than one country for different reasons and therefore I observe more than one national ceremony, but there is no reason to get rid of the national ceremonies dealing with the soldiers of that nation. Nonetheless, this is a Backroom topic so I'll stop for now.
Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 11-12-2009 at 01:09.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Whilst I'm fine commemorating all those poor German sods who died, I distinctly doubt sharing a united sense of humour with them.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Same here. See my post in the official 'remembrance' thread.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
The fact some idoits can't shut there mouths for a few mintues and pay some respect is rather telling.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
How true...
I am surprised you are so brave, SFTS. I am waiting to see if this is edited and you receive an infraction/warning. I guarantee if I posted this, the punishment would be swift and harsh. Your post violates a few rules, but the main one is that the Frontroom is entirely non-confrontational, literally a "Kingdom of Peace an Love" as it is colloquially referred to. I remember I wrote a few lightly negative posts and those were taken down, although the statements were not offensive to anyone nor harsh. Just not positive.
I am watching...
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Alright. You pay respect. Does everyone else? I take a look at the general ambivalence towards everything, and infer that there can be no way those faceless masses would go out of their to sincerely pay respect, any more than the respect they would give for July 4, Christmas, or whatever break off of work it is that day. Why do we do this? Why do we need a special day to remember, yet end up not doing so anyways?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
I didn't know what day it was...when you walked into the room. I said "Hallo" unnoticed; you said goodbye too soon.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
*backs AVSM*
But yes, this is already too Backroomish. I still stand by my statement regarding SFTS though.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Brave is not the correct word. But if the mods warn me they warn me, I feel saying that is worth a few points.
I am surprised you are so brave, SFTS. I am waiting to see if this is edited and you receive an infraction/warning. I guarantee if I posted this, the punishment would be swift and harsh
I am watching...
It's a simple acknowledgment of sacrifice most of us will never hafto make because a few have. Go play pesudo internationalist another day.
I realize you may be more intelligent than us all but please allow us half wits our day.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
AVSM is not attempting to portray himself as an internationalist. I have good reasons to believe his stance is very close, if not identical to mine on this issue. He is merely being a pessimistic realist, as I am.
Strike, this has crossed the line. AVSM is not making it personal, but you are. I find it hard to recollect myself flaming others like this in the Frontroom (Backroom is another issue), and I have pages of warnings and infractions...
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Don't mistake me for an intellectual, but I'm just trying to rant as far as I can.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
And faceless masses wasn't? This isn't an issue about peoples lack of respect, nearly everyone and every buisness I know did something today.
And I'm fully aware that there is tragedy in the world but it doesn't change the fact a 19 year old kid from Snyder Texas is in Bum **** Iraq because some politicians in DC decided it would be a good idea.
Both of you are taking this sweeping veiws on the issue when it is simply a matter of looking a fellow man in the eyes and saying thank you.
The guys on the front line have no control over western bias or what the war means in the context of history some just shake there hand tell them thank you and forget about all this other crap for one day.
And you're clearly missing the point.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Millions of men have fought, and many have died, to bequeath the luxury of blissful ingratitude upon free men, and free women, and free children.
That SOMEONE remembers is sufficient.
Just thought I'd throw that in. Now we return to your regularly scheduled argument.
Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
I can't believe this thread has made it to page three and nobody has posted the song the title references.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Is this comic relief or what?
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
To me it's a day to remember the madness and sheer absurdity of World War I and to remind myself of just how stupid the human race can be.
Sadly enough, it was not the "War to end all Wars" and human stupidity prevailed and is still prevailing over common sense, which is proven by the fact that the organised butchering of human beings (aka "war") still continues.
Again and again and again political leaders convinced the common man and woman to go to war and again and again and again he obliged and got himself shot into little pieces for some sort of glorified ideal after having shot some other people who also died, just like him, for reasons not worth dying for.
I suggest you catch up on some reading. Not history books and such, but read some work from war poets like Wilfred Owen. I can also strongly recommend you the work of William March.
Last edited by Andres; 11-12-2009 at 09:41.
Andres is our Lord and Master and could strike us down with thunderbolts or beer cans at any time. ~Askthepizzaguy
Ja mata, TosaInu
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Go to your local VFW and pose your question to the gentlemen gathered within.
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." *Jim Elliot*
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Nothing wrong with remembering, 'we' weren't involved in WW1 but it's something that should be remembered as something that happened to all nations involved it was pure violent madness, maybe even something evil the first world war has always been extremely sinister to me. I like the take of the game 'Eternal Darkness', flesh for the ancients. WW2 hit us pretty hard though, we do honor our liberators every year, it's always humbling the country is completely silent for 3 minutes. Yay for memorials some things should not be forgotten, not because of 'let it never happen again' and all that crap of course it's going to happen again maybe not this century but the only constant in history is repetition, but out of decency. Thx UK, USA, Canada, Poland, now you will never be able to get rid of us.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
We only bothered liberating Holland for the weed.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Brits have a more entertaining way of remembering WW1, by watching and re-watching Blackadder Goes Forth. It's funny, it plays around with history, but it still gets the main points across and keeps them fresh in our memory. Goodbyeee! is particularly well-known for that, making points about the campaigns of attrition, Pals' battalions, and ending with a field of poppies. There are a lot of laughs along the way, but by the end, one is almost ready to cry, and determined not to let anything like that happen again.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
I think the British still feel very guilty over WWI. WWII was a "good war", one that was nessecary, obviouslt to stop Hitler.
But WWI? Was that a "good war"?
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
The only WWI poet* for me, 'Dolce et Decorum est' is the definitive poem of WWI.
*Unless one considers Apollinaire's Calligrammes war poems.
Bollox
Last edited by Louis VI the Fat; 11-12-2009 at 15:05.
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
Futility is better. Period.
Move him into the sun -
Gently its touch awoke him once,
At home, whispering of fields unsown.
Always it woke him, even in France,
Until this morning, and this snow.
If anything might rouse him now
The kind old sun will know.
Think how it wakes the seed -
Woke, once, the clays of a cold star.
Are limbs, so dear-achieved, are sides,
Full-nerved - still warm - too hard to stir?
Was it for this the clay grew tall?
- O what made fatuous sunbeams toil
To break [earth's]1 sleep at all?
Last edited by Fragony; 11-12-2009 at 15:15. Reason: might as well post it
Re: Tommy Doesn't Know What Day It Is
.
Bollox
We will see, I doubt we are not that very united when the incident on the Balkan is going to happen, this is going to be pretty old-fashioned. Of course there will be war, someone is going to cut of some ones trade. When there is less to spend watch the mgaic happen
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks