Shooting At Ft.Hood

[Strike For The South]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/tex...ngs/index.html

Please keep these people in your prayers or your thoughts or whatever.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Whoa. That's bad.

I didn't find much information about what is going on yet.

[LeftEyeNine]

Army official says at least 12 dead, 31 wounded at Fort Hood, TX shooting; shooter was U.S. soldier, two other soldiers apprehended 4:55pm EST

Wth ?

[Martok]

Things are still pretty crazy right now; we have very little confirmation of hard facts thus far. The most definite info I've been able to cobble together at the moment:


1.) 7-12 dead (one of them apparently being one of the assailants)
2.) 20-30 wounded
3.) 2-3 total gunmen: 1 supposedly killed, at least 1 apprehended, possibly a 3rd shooter is still at large.
4.) The gunmen were dressed in military uniforms, but word yet on whether they were actually members of any U.S. military branch.

[TinCow]

4.) The gunmen were dressed in military uniforms, but word yet on whether they were actually members of any U.S. military branch.

All three were active duty Army. The dead gunman was a Major. Appears to have been motivated by opposition to US action in Iraq/Afghanistan. The Major was apparently Muslim and about to be deployed.

[pevergreen]

This is the type of thing that makes me angry.

[Vladimir]

Everyone was exceptionally quiet at the gym today.

Bite your tong Fragony.

[Hax]

So wait, was the Muslim Major shot by Muslims or by non-Muslims? I think they were non-Muslim, but why would they shoot a Muslim in opposition to deployment? Fear of desertion/treason?

[Vladimir]

I'm not sure what's more outrageous, the shooting or your post.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So wait, was the Muslim Major shot by Muslims or by non-Muslims? I think they were non-Muslim, but why would they shoot a Muslim in opposition to deployment? Fear of desertion/treason?

No, he typed it wrong. The Muslim Major was the shooter:

The slain gunman was identified as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, according to a law enforcement source. The source believes he is 39 or 40 years old.

Apparently a recent convert to Islam (according to ABC) and about to be deployed to Iraq, but I can't confirm the first one as there aren't many details available.

[Subotan]

I heard he was a psychiatrist.

[rvg]

Apparently a recent convert to Islam (according to ABC) and about to be deployed to Iraq, but I can't confirm the first one as there aren't many details available.

Converts. They do tend to be fanatical about their new faith. Heck, it took Cat Stevens what, 30 years to realize that it's okay to sing....

[Hax]

Can you post a link, EMFM? I've only found that he has an Arab name, but that it was unclear whether or not he was a Muslim.

EDIT: Actually, I can only find allegations by FOX News that he was a convert. And I'm not interested in fair and balanced news.

[Centurion1]

he was a muslim convert, he decided he want going to serve his country even though the military provided him with an education and job and than cowardly shot unarmed people. Scum, absolute scum. and to top it off he was a flipping psychiatrist not a real soldier.

[Vuk]

His cousin says that he has been a muslim all his life...not a convert.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Can you post a link, EMFM? I've only found that he has an Arab name, but that it was unclear whether or not he was a Muslim.

EDIT: Actually, I can only find allegations by FOX News that he was a convert. And I'm not interested in fair and balanced news.

Daily Telegraph

ABC also said he was Muslim, but that link is much more damning. Then again, with that name you can probably assume he's Muslim, just as you can assume John Smith of Idaho probably isn't.

[Vuk]

He also in the past made comments that muslims should "Rise up against the aggressors".

[Devastatin Dave]

I can't wait to see all the muslims in the world rise up and condemn this. Remainder of comment deleted by moderator in interest of a calmer "tone."

[rvg]

I can totally see Tom Cruise going "Psychiatry kills! Do you believe me now?! Huh? Huh??!!!"

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It appears that Mark Steyn has nailed it.

[Prince of the Poodles]

Its so crazy. MSNBC is blaming the military, CNN is blaming PTSD(even though he wasn't in combat), and Fox, as usual, is the only one with the balls to say what's really going on. And the MSM is always so surprised at Fox's ratings.

[Samurai Waki]

Deeply disturbing to say the least... I wonder what kind of ramifications this will have for Muslims serving in the military, and what those soldiers who are about to be deployed will think of them when the go to their countries.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Its so crazy. MSNBC is blaming the military, CNN is blaming PTSD(even though he wasn't in combat), and Fox, as usual, is the only one with the balls to say what's really going on. And the MSM is always so surprised at Fox's ratings.

PoP! Long time, no see.

I haven't seen any coverage of it, but blaming the military, or PSTD for a guy who hasn't seen combat, is silly.

Not hard to see why this guy got bad evals at Walter Reed.

I can totally see Tom Cruise going "Psychiatry kills! Do you believe me now?! Huh? Huh??!!!"

That would be interesting...

And DevDave is here too!

CR

[Devastatin Dave]

Deeply disturbing to say the least... I wonder what kind of ramifications this will have for Muslims serving in the military, and what those soldiers who are about to be deployed will think of them when the go to their countries.

Boo, ######, hoo about the muslims in the military. It should be a wake up call to keep an eye on them, thats what it SHOULD do. But I know exactly what will happen. Our Kenyan born President will come out tomorrow with the telepromters telling him to tell his subjects that Islam is a religion of peace and we should look at this as something else than what it really is, then all these poor soldiers at Ft Hood and throughout the Department of Defence will be sent to islamic sensitivity training. Thats what will happen. This isn't the first time a muslim soldier has gone sudden jihad on his fellow soldiers and it won't be the last.

[CountArach]

Its so crazy. MSNBC is blaming the military, CNN is blaming PTSD(even though he wasn't in combat), and Fox, as usual, is the only one with the balls to say what's really going on. And the MSM is always so surprised at Fox's ratings.

Fox isn't MSM? News to me.

My condolences to the families of those affected.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Fox isn't MSM? News to me.

My condolences to the families of those affected.

Regardless of that, it appears that Fox, The Daily Telegraph, and maybe ABC are the only ones who are calling it like it is. The Globe and Mail even has the balls to say that his religion is unconfirmed, when his own family is saying he was Muslim.

[naut]

Condolences. Thoughts are with their friends and relatives.

Its so crazy. MSNBC is blaming the military, CNN is blaming PTSD(even though he wasn't in combat), and Fox, as usual, is the only one with the balls to say what's really going on.

Yes. Congrats to Fox for jumping to conclusions and making assumptions before the FBI has had a chance to investigate the case and discern motive and the pertaining facts of the case.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Boo, ######, hoo about the muslims in the military. It should be a wake up call to keep an eye on them, thats what it SHOULD do. But I know exactly what will happen. Our Kenyan born President will come out tomorrow with the telepromters telling him to tell his subjects that Islam is a religion of peace and we should look at this as something else than what it really is, then all these poor soldiers at Ft Hood and throughout the Department of Defence will be sent to islamic sensitivity training. Thats what will happen. This isn't the first time a muslim soldier has gone sudden jihad on his fellow soldiers and it won't be the last.

You might be right about the sensitivity training:

Maj. Hasan's cousin, Nader Hasan, told Fox News the psychiatrist had complained of harassment by his military colleagues.

"I don't think he's ever been disenchanted with the military," he said of his cousin. "It was the harassment."

"He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything," Mr. Hasan said.

Nader Hasan said his cousin had been the target of harassment because of his "Middle Eastern ethnicity," even though he grew up in the United States, including in Virginia, where he attended Virginia Tech university.

His cousin is quick to blame the way this is quoted, although that doesn't really say much

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Yes. Congrats to Fox for jumping to conclusions and making assumptions before the FBI has had a chance to investigate the case and discern motive and the pertaining facts of the case.

I'd say that assuming PTSD is a much larger jump than telling the two facts that he was both Muslim and had made comments that Muslims should rise up and drawing the appropriate conclusion.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd say that assuming PTSD is a much larger jump than telling the two facts that he was both Muslim and had made comments that Muslims should rise up and drawing the appropriate conclusion.

This is the telling bit:

Hasan had been optimistic that President Obama would start pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Lee said, but when that didn't happen as quickly as he hoped, Hasan became angry.

"He was sort of a loner and kept to himself," Lee told Fox News. "He didn't socialize a lot with officers off duty or on duty."